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[APPROVED] Tag implication: bike_shorts_pull -> bike_shorts

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NWF Renim

By combining them under the shorts_pull tag, would you also be suggesting that bike_shorts should implicate the shorts tag? This has already happened with the shorts_under_skirt tag (which lumps both together and implicates the shorts tag), though the bike_shorts tag itself doesn't actually implicate the shorts tag.

Personally I think they should be kept separate, as we tend to have slightly different expectations between the two. Notably I think we tend to consider them closer to swimsuit bottoms (not expected to have anything else worn underneath) than actual shorts (expected to have underwear underneath). it's much more normal with shorts_pull that underwear is exposed, while with pulling of bike shorts that it's bare genitals. This impacts the usage of the no_panties tag, since its usage is for cases where underwear was expected to be worn and I don't think we should give the impression that the natural state for bike shorts is that they are worn with underwear when it's just as natural that they aren't.

Anyways that's just my thoughts, and I won't complain if we lump them together, but this really is probably the last point where we could make the decision of truly separating them before it becomes a more or less impossible task due to merging.

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EB

NWF_Renim said:

Personally I think they should be kept separate, as we tend to have slightly different expectations between the two. Notably I think we tend to consider them closer to swimsuit bottoms (not expected to have anything else worn underneath) than actual shorts (expected to have underwear underneath). it's much more normal with shorts_pull that underwear is exposed, while with pulling of bike shorts that it's bare genitals. This impacts the usage of the no_panties tag, since its usage is for cases where underwear was expected to be worn and I don't think we should give the impression that the natural state for bike shorts is that they are worn with underwear when it's just as natural that they aren't.

I agree completely with this.

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camac

NWF_Renim said:

Personally I think they should be kept separate, as we tend to have slightly different expectations between the two. Notably I think we tend to consider them closer to swimsuit bottoms (not expected to have anything else worn underneath) than actual shorts (expected to have underwear underneath). it's much more normal with shorts_pull that underwear is exposed, while with pulling of bike shorts that it's bare genitals. This impacts the usage of the no_panties tag, since its usage is for cases where underwear was expected to be worn and I don't think we should give the impression that the natural state for bike shorts is that they are worn with underwear when it's just as natural that they aren't.

Actual bike shorts with padding for riding a bike are typically not worn with underwear but normal spandex shorts (or spats - spandex shorts) that get lumped in with bike shorts don't tend to have padding and women will wear underwear with them. Those spandex shorts are worn for working out, running, yoga or fashion but not designed to be actual bike shorts (no padding). They are 2 quite different pieces of clothing. It's a shame they are bunched together in english but I guess that's a whole other discussion. When we see typical spandex shorts in anime or hentai it's not really bike shorts. Think Chie, May, Sakura, Videl etc, they aren't wearing the type of spandex shorts that have padding. So while we in english would normally call them bike shorts they technically aren't bike shorts, just spandex shorts.

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NWF Renim

We do have another name for them in english, it is “compression shorts”, which I had added to the bike shorts wiki years ago. Also if you check you will find that the common response on if you wear or don’t wear underwear with them, the response is usually either “optional” or is “don’t”. The reason for that is because they’re designed to allow sweat to easily leave the garment, and wearing underwear under them prevents that. It also is common for underwear worn under them to wad up and make them uncomfortable. Additionally some compression shorts are designed to be underwear instead of outerwear, so obviously not supposed to wear underwear under them.

You can’t visually distinguish bike shorts with padding from compression shorts without (as far as drawings go at minimum), so it doesn’t make sense to separate them.

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