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create implication gumroad_reward -> paid_reward
Gumroad reward is a subset of paid reward.
P.S. I went and fixed the 17 pages of posts that were gumroad rewards tagged with patreon reward, so gumroad reward should be properly populated now.
EDIT: This tag implication is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.
EDIT: The tag implication gumroad_reward -> paid_reward (forum #150459) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.
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Ehm, a lot of patreon rewards will be linked with gumroad links because patreon usually doesn't have a direct link to use for a patreon reward.
I know a bunch of patreon images that were sourced with gumroad links because gumroad links are a direct link to purchase rewards, whereas a patreon link doesn't get you diddly squat in regards to the reward being linked.
Edit: For example, almost all of my images tagged as gumroad reward originally had patreon links that evazion changed to gumroad links. And I or the people I uploaded from most definitely didn't get them through gumroad.
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CodeKyuubi said:
Ehm, a lot of patreon rewards will be linked with gumroad links because patreon usually doesn't have a direct link to use for a patreon reward.
I know a bunch of patreon images that were sourced with gumroad links because gumroad links are a direct link to purchase rewards, whereas a patreon link doesn't get you diddly squat in regards to the reward being linked.
Edit: For example, almost all of my images tagged as gumroad reward originally had patreon links that evazion changed to gumroad links. And I or the people I uploaded from most definitely didn't get them through gumroad.
This is like saying that because an image is available on both twitter and pixiv that the source should arbitrarily be changed to one of those. Or if you bought a TV at one store but it's available at another that someone says you bought it at the second.
If there's an MD5 match to Gumroad, the source should be changed from Patreon to Gumroad since it's more accessible. However just because an image may be available at both doesn't mean we should should say that someone is from where it wasn't sourced, if it's from gumroad it's from gumroad. The request is fine as-is.
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An assumption isn't an MD5 match. That would involve people having to buy the different versions just to check, for no real purpose. If something is sourced from Patreon, leave the Patreon source. Don't put a Gumroad post just because, unless you have the reward and verified it matches. Have you been uploading from Patreon and then putting a Gumroad source without any verification?
chinatsu said:
An assumption isn't an MD5 match. That would involve people having to buy the different versions just to check, for no real purpose. If something is sourced from Patreon, leave the Patreon source. Don't put a Gumroad post just because, unless you have the reward and verified it matches. Have you been uploading from Patreon and then putting a Gumroad source without any verification?
Codekyuubi said:
For example, almost all of my images tagged as gumroad reward originally had patreon links that evazion changed to gumroad links. And I or the people I uploaded from most definitely didn't get them through gumroad.
I assumed because you never addressed this point that you believed that patreon rewards should have gumroad sources where available.
And that said, most images *aren't* sourced from Patreon. When you receive a patreon reward, in most cases the artist will link you to a google drive/dropbox/similar service and you download the reward.
When you buy a gumroad reward, you download zipped folders/images.
I think you can make a fair assumption that the images aren't being re-compressed like they do on twitter or other social media services.
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In most cases these uploads were sourced from nowhere. I changed them to Gumroad where either the source was left blank, or the uploader just put a link to the artist's Patreon profile (which is a useless practice that needs to die).
Let's be real, most uploaders of paid rewards aren't actually buying these rewards. They're getting them from third party dumps. I don't enjoy tracking down sources for uploaders who, I suspect, deliberately leave the source blank because they got it from a Patreon reward dump thread somewhere and they don't want to give up their sources.
If you can determine the specific Patreon post a file originated from, then by all means, put that as the source. Otherwise, the Gumroad link is usually the next best thing, certainly better than a blank source.
As far as the implication itself, I think it's fine.
The tag implication gumroad_reward -> paid_reward (forum #150459) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.
This may need some reconsideration, as a gumroad reward can be completely gratis, such as in post #2971726.
chilled_sake said:
This may need some reconsideration, as a gumroad reward can be completely gratis, such as in post #2971726.
If they are obtainable for free they should not be tagged as gumroad rewards. There's free tiers/posts on Fantia, Fanbox and Patreon too after all.
nonamethanks said:
If they are obtainable for free they should not be tagged as gumroad rewards. There's free tiers/posts on Fantia, Fanbox and Patreon too after all.
This is not the same. Patreon offers content free of charge but not patron-exclusive content. One must actually perform a mock purchase, but there is not such a thing as a zero-dollar patreon tier for example
chilled_sake said:
This is not the same. Patreon offers content free of charge but not patron-exclusive content. One must actually perform a mock purchase, but there is not such a thing as a zero-dollar patreon tier for example
That's how Fantia works too however - even to access free content you have to subscribe to the 0 Yen tier for most artists. The consensus was to not tag those as paid/*_rewards - see topic #17150 and evazion's post.
Maybe the suggestion from that thread of moving the *_reward tags to *_paid_reward would help?
DreamFromTheLayer said:
On a similar topic, should I remove these tags from posts that were paid_rewards but now aren't? I started doing this and wondered if I should continue.
Yes, if they're available for free they're not paid rewards anymore (and if the artist got banned they would be completely removed from everyone instead of just banned if they still had the paid_reward tag, so all the more reasons to keep that tag orderly).
