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[bulk] Holding tag implication

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I'd like to at the very least keep tags of holding_x for things that often appear in images without being held (including with something else being held) like holding book, holding hat (and all other individual holding clothing tags - the different ones do serve a purpose as both wearing the clothing while holding something else and having the clothing removed while holding something else are more common), holding glasses, holding plate, holding leaf etc.

I've got rid of holding girl (replaced with holding person), holding sakazuki (replaced with holding cup) and holding blouse (replaced with holding shirt) as starters.

The tags that might be safely scrappable:

covered by holding food + x:
*holding meat
*holding doughnut
*holding cookie
*holding cake
*holding candy
*holding chocolate
*holding candy cane
*holding lollipop
*holding pizza
*holding fruit

covered by holding weapon + x:
*holding polearm
*holding dagger
*holding spear
*holding sword
*(holding axe?)
*(holding bow (weapon)? - rather different from many other weapons so...)
*(holding gun? - again, rather different to most other weapons)

covered by holding phone + x:
*holding cellphone

covered by holding animal + x:
*holding cat

Other:
*holding lighter - almost all pictures of lighter are of it being held.
*holding oar - the vast majority of oar pictures fall into this.
*holding shower head - almost all holding shower_head are and always will be this and that would substitute nicely.
*holding cigar/holding pipe - almost all cigar/pipe pictures are either holding or mouth hold. holding cigarette is similar but there are considerably more pictures of the cigarette not being held so I'm unsure on it.
*holding whip - almost all whip pictures are of the whip being held, and those that aren't are usually implied.
*holding stuffed toy or holding stuffed animal. The latter is currently larger, and has implications, but the former is probably better to keep.
*holding leaves - there's a much bigger tag for holding leaf, and leaves is aliased to leaf.
*holding holly - every single one of these seem to be holding holly leaves + berries. We have a tag for holding leaf so couldn't they go in there?
*holding paintbrush - there's holding brush - do we need individual types?
*holding glass - I think all of these belong in holding drinking glass. Don't alias it, though, as it could potentially be useful for something else in the future.

That would be 27-31 of the current holding_x tags removed (30-34 if you include the ones I already got rid of).

A lot of the rest aren't actually holding_x tags (like holding hands, holding above head or holding breath), or not of the sort that would warrant the holding tag*. And the remainder are things that serve a function in their existance that would be lost if they were removed.

*I note there is a holding tail, holding own tail and holding another's tail, though. Why?

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kuuderes_shadow said:

Stuff

While some of those tags (like holding lollipop) could be justified in keeping since they are things that are often held, we run the risk of people trying to justify more of them so I'm for compressing those 4 first parts into umbrella tags unless someone thinks we really should keep some of them, will probably have to be aliased to stop people from using them though. Still feel like guns/firearms and maybe bows should get their own tag since they are rather different from other weapons as you said.

Not sure which tags on the Other category is worth keeping, I'll wait for someone else's opinion on this.

kuuderes_shadow said:

*I note there is a holding tail, holding own tail and holding another's tail, though. Why?

If I had to guess, holding tail has probably been used, and never brought up, by people who thought we didn't have any tag for that since almost none of the holding tags has own/another's versions (3 for own and 6 for another's). Also note that that one is the only one of the three without a wiki page.

That aside, I'm still surprised we don't have a stuffed animal hug tag or something.

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I feel like we would definitely need to alias some of the more popular tags to the proposed category tags. Also for holding guns, bows and the like, maybe a new sub-category called 'holding_ranged_weapon'? Or could that be confused with weapons that have a large range e.g. spear? Then again, we do have the category in the weapon wiki.

kuuderes_shadow said:

Other:
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*holding stuffed toy or holding stuffed animal. The latter is currently larger, and has implications, but the former is probably better to keep.
*holding leaves - there's a much bigger tag for holding leaf, and leaves is aliased to leaf.
*holding holly - every single one of these seem to be holding holly leaves + berries. We have a tag for holding leaf so couldn't they go in there?
*holding paintbrush - there's holding brush - do we need individual types?
*holding glass - I think all of these belong in holding drinking glass. Don't alias it, though, as it could potentially be useful for something else in the future.

I think from holding lighter to holding whip in Other we could discard with your reasoning.
For holding stuffed toy why not go further and broaden it to holding toy?
holding leaf and holding holly I agree, I don't see a reason not to.
holding brush + x with x the specific brush type could work.
holding glass? I mean glass, I think, is also a tag with ambiguous usage. Not sure what to do with it though.

remove implication holding_sword -> sword
remove implication holding_sword -> holding_weapon
create alias holding_sword -> holding_weapon

Link to request

Ok. Since we're basically planning on reverting most of the changes done in this very topic I've gone and made a request to alias and remove implications from a much used holding tag to stir up any objections to the proposed transition. So before we go about deleting a bunch of holding tags only to find someone against the idea half way through let's see if this would get approved.

Also since I've rarely sent requests, would something like update holding_sword -> -holding_sword work to remove the tag or does it have to be done manually?

Edit: I see BrokenEagle, thanks.

EDIT: This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 60 days.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1267 (forum #134917) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

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kiyah123 said:

Also since I've rarely sent requests, would something like update holding_sword -> -holding_sword work to remove the tag or does it have to be done manually?

Yes, it does work, however, the above alias would mass update holding_sword -> holding_weapon in addition to creating an alias.

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