post #2462359 or post #2446932
Two/Multiple sunflowers :P. So I'd say no to holding flower => 1 flower.
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post #2462359 or post #2446932
Two/Multiple sunflowers :P. So I'd say no to holding flower => 1 flower.
Added a whole load more things to the request on forum #118962 (everything from stuffed animal downwards).
The bulk update request #865 has been approved.
holding_doll needs cleanup to divide it from holding_stuffed_animal, otherwise approved.
Mostly cleared up holding doll, although there are a few that I'm not sure about (do teruterubouzu count as dolls? and is post #14569 really a doll or is it a mini person?). It's dropped below 50 tag uses at present but it should be relatively easy to get back up again.
create implication holding_bow_(weapon) -> bow_(weapon)
create implication holding_bow_(weapon) -> holding_weapon
create implication holding_spear -> spear
create implication holding_spear -> holding_weapon
create implication holding_instrument -> holding
create implication holding_instrument -> instrument
create implication holding_scythe -> scythe
create implication holding_scythe -> holding
The bulk update request #1227 has been approved.
Updated by DanbooruBot
I'm populating holding_needle right now, and I wasn't sure if knitting needles counted or if they warrant a separate holding_knitting_needles tag.
The bulk update request #1227 has been approved.
create implication holding_candy_cane -> holding
create implication holding_candy_cane -> candy_cane
create implication holding_sack -> holding
create implication holding_sack -> sack
create implication holding_cat -> holding
create implication holding_cat -> cat
create implication holding_chopsticks -> holding
create implication holding_chopsticks -> chopsticks
create implication holding_towel -> holding
create implication holding_towel -> towel
create implication holding_flag -> holding
create implication holding_flag -> flag
create implication holding_axe -> holding
create implication holding_axe -> axe
create implication holding_doll -> doll
create implication holding_doll -> holding
create implication holding_ring -> ring
create implication holding_ring -> holding
create implication holding_dagger -> dagger
create implication holding_dagger -> holding_weapon
create implication holding_sheath -> sheath
create implication holding_sheath -> holding
create implication holding_bucket -> bucket
create implication holding_bucket -> holding
create implication holding_syringe -> holding
create implication holding_syringe -> syringe
create implication holding_ribbon -> holding
create implication holding_ribbon -> ribbon
create implication holding_paintbrush -> holding
create implication holding_paintbrush -> paintbrush
create implication holding_basket -> holding
create implication holding_basket -> basket
create implication holding_arrow -> arrow
create implication holding_jacket -> jacket
create implication holding_jacket -> holding
Some more implications.
EDIT: The bulk update request #1261 (forum #134795) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.
Updated by DanbooruBot
-1 to holding shield to holding implication for reasons previously stated in topic #13408.
holding doll was discussed briefly on the first page of this thread. Has this been fully cleared up yet, and if so in what way?
Where did that holding glass description come from? Given that we have a holding drinking glass tag which already has the implications in place.
holding dagger should be implicated to holding weapon instead of holding. Should holding axe do the same?
holding arrow seems to include several images such as post #2798919 that are the character drawing a bow. These don't warrant a holding tag imo (although this would usually come from holding the bow anyway it's easily possible to have an image that isn't).
Other than that, looks okay to me. Although I'm sure there was a reason why I didn't do the holding pen to pen implication before
kuuderes_shadow said:
holding dagger should be implicated to holding weapon instead of holding. Should holding axe do the same?
The axe could be for chopping wood and other things so no.
kuuderes_shadow said:
Other than that, looks okay to me. Although I'm sure there was a reason why I didn't do the holding pen to pen implication before
Some images under holding pen shows characters holding a stylus (mainly just the Eromanga Sensei posts) but a stylus doesn't fit the definition of pen, despite its other name 'tablet pen', since it doesn't use ink. Holding pen should be removed from those posts and if done then I don't see any other reason against the implication.
kiyah123 said:
The axe could be for chopping wood and other things so no.
axe already implies weapon, though. Although I've often thought that a rather odd implication - whilst even the type of axe that is designed for forestry can be used as a weapon (see post #109296 ) so can a lot of other things.
Some images under holding pen shows characters holding a stylus (mainly just the Eromanga Sensei posts) but a stylus doesn't fit the definition of pen
Ah yes, that's what it was.
Can we talk about the holding tag itself? Honestly I find it to be of dubious value. At the rate we're going we're going to have hundreds of implications, and for what? So someone can find holding axe and holding cat and a million other unrelated things in the same search? What good is that?
What exactly are we trying to do here, to make searches easier or to create a tag hierarchy just for the sake of it? Let's not forget albert's words from topic #12482.
Thinking about it, the only times I have personally used the holding tag in searching is when looking for stuff that doesn't have a holding_x tag (eg. holding mop for a relatively common one in images) or where said tag is very underused (holding bucket -holding_bucket returns hundreds of images where the holding bucket tag would be appropriate, for instance). If a holding_x tag were to be created for absolutely everything, and applied as thoroughly as the holding tag currently is, then the holding tag would probably not be needed. There have been a lot of new holding_x tags created or fleshed out in the last year or so, but I do think we're still a long way from this at present.
Although it's entirely conceivable that someone would want to look for an image where a character is (or, perhaps more likely, is not) holding anything.
Updated
kuuderes_shadow said:
-1 to holding shield to holding implication for reasons previously stated in topic #13408.
holding doll was discussed briefly on the first page of this thread. Has this been fully cleared up yet, and if so in what way?
I have cleaned some of it but I'll make another pass to see if I have missed much.
I have removed the rest that were dubious from the request.
evazion said:
Can we talk about the holding tag itself? Honestly I find it to be of dubious value. At the rate we're going we're going to have hundreds of implications, and for what? So someone can find holding axe and holding cat and a million other unrelated things in the same search? What good is that?
What exactly are we trying to do here, to make searches easier or to create a tag hierarchy just for the sake of it? Let's not forget albert's words from topic #12482.
What if someone wants to search any of those objects in pictures where they're not in the hands of someone? Such as warriors with weapons that can't be sheathed, or instruments, or even food.
kuuderes_shadow said:
axe already implies weapon, though. Although I've often thought that a rather odd implication - whilst even the type of axe that is designed for forestry can be used as a weapon (see post #109296 ) so can a lot of other things.
Hmm, well I guess with that knowledge it probably should implicate holding weapon as you said. I would have thought axe was used as an umbrella tag for all types of axes but I guess it's used specifically for the weapon which is strange since we also have battle axe. Hatchet, I guess, is fulfilling the purpose of a tool to 'split wood' so should we change the wiki for axe?
kuuderes_shadow said:
Thinking about it, the only times I have personally used the holding tag in searching is when looking for stuff that doesn't have a holding_x tag (eg. holding mop for a relatively common one in images) or where said tag is very underused (holding bucket -holding_bucket returns hundreds of images where the holding bucket tag would be appropriate, for instance). If a holding_x tag were to be created for absolutely everything, and applied as thoroughly as the holding tag currently is, then the holding tag would probably not be needed. There have been a lot of new holding_x tags created or fleshed out in the last year or so, but I do think we're still a long way from this at present.
That's the thing, the original use of holding was precisely to avoid having holding_x tags for absolutely everything. But now we're quietly headed in the direction of making tags for every last thing anyway, with no discussion as to whether that's the right direction to take.
We've been doing these implications piecemeal, but we're going to end up with hundreds of holding_* subtags with hundreds of implications if we're not careful. I don't know what the solution is, but this strikes me as excessive.
evazion said:
That's the thing, the original use of holding was precisely to avoid having holding_x tags for absolutely everything. But now we're quietly headed in the direction of making tags for every last thing anyway, with no discussion as to whether that's the right direction to take.
We've been doing these implications piecemeal, but we're going to end up with hundreds of holding_* subtags with hundreds of implications if we're not careful. I don't know what the solution is, but this strikes me as excessive.
Perhaps keeping only some holding_x with x being a specific category of item? Like keeping holding_food and removing all holding_(food item), people would still be able to search for characters holding that specific food item by just including the tag in the search.
kiyah123 said:
Perhaps keeping only some holding_x with x being a specific category of item? Like keeping holding_food and removing all holding_(food item), people would still be able to search for characters holding that specific food item by just including the tag in the search.
This is what I was thinking too. I don't personally have anything against all these holding_* tags but I understand if it's getting out of hand (like certain other tag groups).
Keeping, for example, holding_food, holding_animal, holding_weapon (not sure if there should be a separate tag for firearms) and similar as umbrella tags and let users tag the things being hold separately sounds like a good idea to me.
Unbreakable said:
Keeping, for example, holding_food, holding_animal, holding_weapon (not sure if there should be a separate tag for firearms) and similar as umbrella tags and let users tag the things being hold separately sounds like a good idea to me.
+ 1 could get behind that. I also would like to keep at least the umbrella tags, since they each add a different context to the image.
A bit historical, but something similar happened with huge weapon... it used to be huge sword and huge gun, but was switched to be huge_weapon + sword and huge_weapon + gun.