Tag what you see, not what you know. I-14 does not appear anywhere in this image, nor does Ro-500 appear in the next one, and so on. Please stop tagging characters that do not appear in these Line strips.
Tag what you see, not what you know. I-14 does not appear anywhere in this image, nor does Ro-500 appear in the next one, and so on. Please stop tagging characters that do not appear in these Line strips.
They are actively talking, how is that not appearing?
Tag what you see, not what you know. I-14 does not appear anywhere in this image, nor does Ro-500 appear in the next one, and so on. Please stop tagging characters that do not appear in these Line strips.
Minimal Tagging Criteria
Character. All featured characters must be positively identified.
This isn't even a comic or image, it's a chat screen. I don't think the same rules apply exactly. For starters no one is talking off screen or on camera because the isn't any.
However that could easily be solved if instead of tagging, the missing characters get added as translation notes.
Tag what you see. In other words, only tag the visual and factual elements in the image. For example, images where the full moon is prominently depicted will have a full_moon tag. Ideally you should use an existing tag on Danbooru. This means you should not tag what you know about a character. For example remilia_scarlet is supposed to be a vampire, but don't tag every picture depicting her with the vampire tag. Only use the vampire tag if the characteristics are clearly visible.
There are plenty of instances of characters talking that don't appear in-frame. (A ton of Admirals in KC never appear on-camera, or only appear rarely, for example.) Do not tag them unless they actually appear in the image. Tags are for things you can objectively see in the image, and the character does not appear anywhere in that image. (You wouldn't even know it was supposed to be I-14 except by context.)
There are plenty of instances of characters talking that don't appear in-frame. (A ton of Admirals in KC never appear on-camera, or only appear rarely, for example.) Do not tag them unless they actually appear in the image. Tags are for things you can objectively see in the image, and the character does not appear anywhere in that image. (You wouldn't even know it was supposed to be I-14 except by context.)
... This ain't the sort of thing that system was devised in mind with though.
... This ain't the sort of thing that system was devised in mind with though.
Whether it was in the minds of the people writing the rules at first or not isn't really material, it's that system which has been applied ever since, and for tagging to be meaningful, it has to be consistent and have predictable results. If a character wears pantyhose all the time, but you can't see her legs, you don't tag pantyhose. If a character is speaking in a comic, but doesn't appear in the image, you don't tag them.
Again, there is plenty of precedent for things like this. If characters are in a comic only via speech bubble, and they are designated just by their name in parenthesis on a talk bubble, then they are not tagged. If characters are talking and the character's head or something similar appears in the bubble to designate who is talking, they are tagged. See this post as an example; multiple characters wrote on the board, but only Shirayuki is actually drawn, and Inazuma is actually in the image. Hibiki isn't tagged just because she wrote "ura" several times.
But this is LITERALLY a smartphone text chat UI. Showing a full conversation between the characters. If I was searching for either character, I would expect both to be tagged. In comparison, the shown example only has a few bits of dialogue written on the board; I would not expect the receptive characters who wrote on the board to be tagged in this instance, because the board is more of a gag than anything. Especially Hibiki. In contrast, this would be as if Inazuma and Shiraiyuki had a full conversation written on the board, and there was nothing BUT the board in the image. There are no other visual elements here. If the characters in these text conversations didn't identify themselves via their "profile photos", would you even tag this as Kancolle, even if that is clearly what it is? Because without that one link, there sure as hell are not any visual elements of Kancolle- it's all in the dialogue.
But this is LITERALLY a smartphone text chat UI. Showing a full conversation between the characters. If I was searching for either character, I would expect both to be tagged. In comparison, the shown example only has a few bits of dialogue written on the board; I would not expect the receptive characters who wrote on the board to be tagged in this instance, because the board is more of a gag than anything. Especially Hibiki. In contrast, this would be as if Inazuma and Shiraiyuki had a full conversation written on the board, and there was nothing BUT the board in the image. There are no other visual elements here. If the characters in these text conversations didn't identify themselves via their "profile photos", would you even tag this as Kancolle, even if that is clearly what it is? Because without that one link, there sure as hell are not any visual elements of Kancolle- it's all in the dialogue.
Check out the text only page and no humans tags. (Which frequently happen as afterwards of doujin scans.) Notice there are no character tags in those posts, even when they show conversations between characters in the text. This image from a Zounose comic is a good example of that.
You tag a character if and only if they actually appear, that is and always has been the cut-and-dry set of rules for tagging because, to quote the next line,
Do not use subjective tags (such as sexy, cute, hot, etc). These tags are problematic because they are based on personal opinion, and different opinions can conflict.
We adopt one clear, objective standard for tagging to try to make it so the thousands of users who are expected to tag have a single clear, agreed-upon metric for tagging because it stops a lot of headaches when everyone is working towards the same purpose and understands and complies with the rules. This means characters are tagged if and only if they appear.
Adopting a different standard for the one side case of chat log parodies adds unnecessary confusion, and would just make uniformity of tags an even larger headache than it already is.
So far as copyrights go, they're necessarily a lot broader, since it can be literally anything related to a series, and while characters are often all it takes, you can have a single gundam miniature on a shelf in the background of a character's room in an original series as justification for a gundam tag (although it's somewhat misleading as a tag). This image is a good example of that, with both the Kemono Friends tag and Where's Wally tag because it's a Kemono Friends parody of a Where's Wally search's list of things to find.
To me the rules are a guideline and don't need to be followed to the letter, rather to the spirit. There can be weird exceptions that pop up that don't require a large
In this case, this is a bit odd, since its a chat screen between two characters. In my view, tagging them fits since unlike other text only examples, this isn't words being spoken, but rather each character's text message from their phone, with who is writing rather clearly defined.
So having I-14 or others is fine because it is their chat lines? Or whatever, its clear that its them even if you don't see their flesh and blood.
To me the rules are a guideline and don't need to be followed to the letter, rather to the spirit. There can be weird exceptions that pop up that don't require a large
In this case, this is a bit odd, since its a chat screen between two characters. In my view, tagging them fits since unlike other text only examples, this isn't words being spoken, but rather each character's text message from their phone, with who is writing rather clearly defined.
So having I-14 or others is fine because it is their chat lines? Or whatever, its clear that its them even if you don't see their flesh and blood.
And it is exactly pushing in to destroy the rules that causes a lot of these headaches for the people that actually try to manage things...
If you create this double-standard, you realize you just broke all the images that have previously been tagged, and anyone who DOESN'T read this one comment chain is now going to be operating off of two totally separate understandings of the rules, causing tag searches to become ever more unreliable?
I already find most of the blue/general tags to be unreliable simply because there is such a large number of them that searching for something like red ribbon will only get a tiny fraction of the actual red ribbons on Danbooru.
Saladofstones is right here in my opinion. These texts are still tied to a character, so they should be tagged. I'm wondering what @iridescent_slime is going to say, though.
Saladofstones is right here in my opinion. These texts are still tied to a character, so they should be tagged. I'm wondering what @iridescent_slime is going to say, though.
Please think through the ramifications of just arbitrarily bending the rules to your whims. Again, we're already having to worry about gardening severely underused tags if only because nobody even realizes a tag like aqua_dress even exists, and is more likely to just throw in a dress tag or blue_dress or green_dress depending upon their judgement.
Tags NEED to be as simple and widely-understood as possible. Creating hidden exceptions and double-standards only further undermines the tagging system for no good reason.
There isn't any double standard. Minimal Tagging Criteria dictates
Character. All featured characters must be positively identified.
It also complies with "Do not use subjective tags" because "only tag the visual and factual elements in the image."
Just like this image or in this pool you don't see the characters themselves in all of them. Yet it's factual they are them. This isn't the image of someone holding its smartphone with the conversation inside of it, this is the factual representation of each character as a message because there isn't any other way to identify them.
In any case the only one causing headaches is yourself with your own OCD. You irritate too much when you can't predict things and this is yet another proof of it, chill out. You can't simply boss everyone around as if you own the place, nothing is engraved in stone and pool/tag changes across the years Danbooru lives are a proof of it. There are proper channels like the forums to discuss this rather than forcing your way.
Please think through the ramifications of just arbitrarily bending the rules to your whims. Again, we're already having to worry about gardening severely underused tags if only because nobody even realizes a tag like aqua_dress even exists, and is more likely to just throw in a dress tag or blue_dress or green_dress depending upon their judgement.
Tags NEED to be as simple and widely-understood as possible. Creating hidden exceptions and double-standards only further undermines the tagging system for no good reason.
I think you are the one that misunderstands the tagging here. If something is featured, then it gets tagged.
NWSiaCB said: And it is exactly pushing in to destroy the rules that causes a lot of these headaches for the people that actually try to manage things...
If you create this double-standard, you realize you just broke all the images that have previously been tagged, and anyone who DOESN'T read this one comment chain is now going to be operating off of two totally separate understandings of the rules, causing tag searches to become ever more unreliable?
I already find most of the blue/general tags to be unreliable simply because there is such a large number of them that searching for something like red ribbon will only get a tiny fraction of the actual red ribbons on Danbooru.
Its not a double standard, rules have exceptions due to niche things and I think, in this case, it fits to tag the character since its a chat window.
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