They either go back to killing each other or they're "magically" in love with each other to the point that all wars end, peace is imposed on the world and everyone lives happily ever after*.
Until the whole "monster girls can't give birth to males"-thing leads to its natural conclusion of mass extinction.
Does mageslayer exist in the monstergirl world? By so much charm magic stuff it would strange when church, chief god followers or simple humans had no counterpart to it.
Well even some monstergirl races are in war and kill each other but it seems gandharva are not interfere in it maybe her magic cannot effect them. Their message is clear: make love not war!
They either go back to killing each other or they're "magically" in love with each other to the point that all wars end, peace is imposed on the world and everyone lives happily ever after*.
Until the whole "monster girls can't give birth to males"-thing leads to its natural conclusion of mass extinction.
Well monstergirls can have male children in two cases. 1. Woman with one son or more become a monster. 2. Monstergirls can become a mother in law for male children. The troll profile say something about that monstergirls can have male incubi children or maye very rare a male child by races who become very close to humans is born. In that case the child is a hybrid comes after the father but have the powers of her mother.
Well monstergirls can have male children in two cases. 1. Woman with one son or more become a monster. 2. Monstergirls can become a mother in law for male children. The troll profile say something about that monstergirls can have male incubi children or maye very rare a male child by races who become very close to humans is born. In that case the child is a hybrid comes after the father but have the powers of her mother.
Actually the official books are pretty explicit about this. ANY monster girl or incubus offspring will have a monster girl offspring. The books outright admit that the Demon Lord is well aware of this problem and is (supposedly?) trying to fix it.
As for in-laws or adoption, sorry no. The books are similarly grimdark about that. If an ordinary human lives in a sufficiently demon-powered area long enough, they will magically get transformed into incubi/succubi. Hence the criticism that: given enough time/lack of pushback by human forces, the whole world will be conquered/magically transformed into monster girls/incubi by the Demon Lord. (And that leads back to the original problem)
MMaestro said: I didnt know what is inside these books and they say about this stuff but always clear is: no woman in this world no more man can be born and the monstergirls are dommed! She demon lord became a big plus point that monsters didnt kill humans anymore but she create a new problem that the numbet of humans shrink.
Actually the official books are pretty explicit about this. ANY monster girl or incubus offspring will have a monster girl offspring. The books outright admit that the Demon Lord is well aware of this problem and is (supposedly?) trying to fix it.
As for in-laws or adoption, sorry no. The books are similarly grimdark about that. If an ordinary human lives in a sufficiently demon-powered area long enough, they will magically get transformed into incubi/succubi. Hence the criticism that: given enough time/lack of pushback by human forces, the whole world will be conquered/magically transformed into monster girls/incubi by the Demon Lord. (And that leads back to the original problem)
astarte952 said: I didnt know what is inside these books and they say about this stuff but always clear is: no woman in this world no more man can be born and the monstergirls are dommed! She demon lord became a big plus point that monsters didnt kill humans anymore but she create a new problem that the numbet of humans shrink.
Its not just that. Its also the fact that monster girls continue to increase in number while the number of (male) humans decreases. After a certain point, "# of unmarried monster girls (+ # of human females) > # of human males" = monster (+ recently converted monster) girls flat-out blitz humanity, Game Over.
The fact that humanity is fighting back isn't some grand war to defeat the Demon Lord. Its merely delaying the inevitable.
Its not just that. Its also the fact that monster girls continue to increase in number while the number of (male) humans decreases. After a certain point, "# of unmarried monster girls (+ # of human females) > # of human males" = monster (+ recently converted monster) girls flat-out blitz humanity, Game Over.
The fact that humanity is fighting back isn't some grand war to defeat the Demon Lord. Its merely delaying the inevitable.
On the other hand, the Demon Lord has good reason not to press too hard until the "human + monster = monster" problem is solved. If she takes over the world now, it's not just Game Over for the humans but for the monsters too.
On the other hand, the Demon Lord has good reason not to press too hard until the "human + monster = monster" problem is solved. If she takes over the world now, it's not just Game Over for the humans but for the monsters too.
Doesn't that make her daughter Deruella's campaign to bring peace to the world by creating more monster territories actually a problem then?
Maybe ideal canidates to become incubi and monstergirls are old and ill people who know that they not life long anymore. Also humans with weak health who sex and bring children to birth are risky. When the transformation gave youth back and heal illness humans will sure accept it and a good way to increase the number of incubi and new monstergirls without wipeout humanity.
It's also a strange thing humans and monsters in this world cannot get well together and the demon lord must not real give some order in that case. It's very easy to gave monstergirls what they want and even more from the monsterside they can made human dreams true and it must not always ending into kidnaping, rape and transform.
Doesn't that make her daughter Deruella's campaign to bring peace to the world by creating more monster territories actually a problem then?
Yes, but everyone likes to ignore that so...
astarte952 said:
It's also a strange thing humans and monsters in this world cannot get well together and the demon lord must not real give some order in that case. It's very easy to gave monstergirls what they want and even more from the monsterside they can made human dreams true and it must not always ending into kidnaping, rape and transform.
The books outright state that the current Demon Lord changed the monster (girl) instincts from "kill humans" to "rape/marry/sex humans". Kidnapping and rape is their way of saying 'fuck human rules, I want sex and I have the superhuman/god-tier strength/speed/magic/skill/abilities to TAKE whoever, wherever, whenever I want.' And it works. The average human has no chance against even the most basic monster (girl), so if you get targeted, write your will, stand in a field far away from everyone else and let it happen cause you're doomed.
As for transforming, chalk that up to Kenkou's terrible world building writing. ANY AND ALL interactions with monster girls results in transforming. Having SEX with a monster girl results in transforming. Being NEAR a monster girl results in transforming. Being NEAR an AREA with monster girls results in transforming. Its so stupidly overpowered most people completely ignore this entire section in the books.
In contrast to monstergirl quest in this world they will no happy end for both sides and their creators forget that love and sex has many forms. Well some monstergirl profiles are sounds not so bad like the stupid princep of this world.
As for transforming, chalk that up to Kenkou's terrible world building writing. ANY AND ALL interactions with monster girls results in transforming. Having SEX with a monster girl results in transforming. Being NEAR a monster girl results in transforming. Being NEAR an AREA with monster girls results in transforming. Its so stupidly overpowered most people completely ignore this entire section in the books.
I've only seen the profiles posted here on Danbooru, but in those, Kenkou definitely writes monster girl abilities and traits purely as fetish fuel, and to hell (ahem) with the implications they have for the human/monster ecosystem. Trying to tell an actual story with that bestiary would definitely be an exercise in slashing at canon with a machete until you whittle it down to a coherent narrative.
I've only seen the profiles posted here on Danbooru, but in those, Kenkou definitely writes monster girl abilities and traits purely as fetish fuel, and to hell (ahem) with the implications they have for the human/monster ecosystem. Trying to tell an actual story with that bestiary would definitely be an exercise in slashing at canon with a machete until you whittle it down to a coherent narrative.
He does, and thats fine. I'm just telling people how it is.
Kenkou has actually written a collection of short stories within the monster girl canon (and yes he hacked the canon to pieces to make it all fit). Theres are profile pages/summaries of two of the short stories on Danbooru:
Not only did humanity lose a strong knight and a strong magician, they both joined the enemy AND both became more powerful. And if you fight them for any reason, they'll curb stomp you with their training/experience/talent + demon enhanced powers/capabilities to -transform you into a monster (girl) too-. Greatttt... I'll stick to the fetish fuel.
it would be interesting when serious monstergirls who plans something bad to get what they meet serious humans who are willing to gave them what they want and they say this to monstergirls. single man goes home or in his home a monstergirl appear who wants him as husband and kidnapping is the plan but man say: come with me and be my wife or stay here and be my wife. the choosen man had a woman or a entire family the monstergirl plans kidnaping but heard this: you can live with us together or you can be a part of our family. man is widowed, decivored or leave with a child or more again plan kidnaping but heard this: i want that you become my/our new mother! if they get what they want from the human side in a different way it´s also ways a nice act.
from the monstergirl side also can something happens in some cases to achive the goal to get a man as husband without brute force or cheap tricks like charm magic. it cost nothing to ask a man to become their husband and the chance is not zero that the choosen one say no im that case. the mans parents, wife and children can be very useful to get over them on the choosen man if a monstergirl has no problem to share with a human woman or take one with children. offer etnernal youth, the power of money or something else what humans always want life is also a deal sometimes. parents result: my son! let us intruoducene your future wife to you. wife result: thanks to her i get what i always wished for and i accetped her in our realtionship. so please gave her what the want from you! children result: if she is not become my new mother i/we never speak a word with you!
the things can also goes in a better way when humans risk their own life to save a monstergirl or take care of them when they are hurt or ill and cannot survive with out help.
So what happens when the fire dies out, and the former-enemies couple realizes they have absolutely nothing in common?
It’s implied that they only enhance love, not create it. Therefore the love they instil is genuine due to it just being the love they originally possessed magnified by the Gandharva’s melodies.
astarte952 said:
Well even some monstergirl races are in war and kill each other but it seems gandharva are not interfere in it maybe her magic cannot effect them. Their message is clear: make love not war!
As it says here; “The bloodthirsty battlefield transformed into an orgiastic feast of pleasure and wet noises entwined with the melody as humans and monsters made love.” So yeah, no one’s safe from her mixtape.
ialdabaoth said:
Doesn't that make her daughter Deruella's campaign to bring peace to the world by creating more monster territories actually a problem then?
It’s a rather interesting doomsday scenario. The longer the war is drawn out, the less resources the Demon Lord has to work with and the less effort she can put into creating the second spell to fix the population problem. Also, the longer it goes on, the more people within demon realms turn into monsters and incubi, meaning that, ultimately, the Order’s members and the followers of the Chief God are fundamentally counterintuitive on all facets. It’s like the Imperium of man, but all their weapons have a U-bend in the barrel.
astarte952 said:
It's also a strange thing humans and monsters in this world cannot get well together and the demon lord must not real give some order in that case. It's very easy to gave monstergirls what they want and even more from the monsterside they can made human dreams true and it must not always ending into kidnaping, rape and transform.
That’s because they’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, they all come from a long line of horrific monsters hell-bent on tearing apart humanity, claw, tooth, and other assorted appendages. That bestial nature has only been converted into love and lust, not fully removed, so the civil ones are constantly fighting against that. On the other, the Order come around and make everything ten times worse with their powers of fantastic racism, meaning that the mamono who manage to establish meaningful and mutually beneficial relationships with humans are constantly at risk of falling through. One hell of a Morton’s Fork.
Kumihou said:
Wonder what would happen, if there was only ONE man left in the world.
Interesting scenario. He’d be the last chance for the survival of both groups, so there might even be an alliance from the Order alongside the Demon Lord in order to gather the mana necessary to correct the issue. They’d also establish the most massive amount of defences and probably even an army of sacrificial incubi in order to dissuade hungry monster girls.
MMaestro said:
As for transforming, chalk that up to Kenkou's terrible world building writing. ANY AND ALL interactions with monster girls results in transforming. Having SEX with a monster girl results in transforming. Being NEAR a monster girl results in transforming. Being NEAR an AREA with monster girls results in transforming. Its so stupidly overpowered most people completely ignore this entire section in the books.
Yeah this hyperbole is laughable at best. 1. That’s just how assimilation powers are. The Borg, the Fold, Makima, the Abyssal Fleet, Eggman, pretty much any group or individual that can actively take their enemies and convert them for their own purposes will be stupidly overpowered. It’s like a chess grandmaster going up against a Shogi 9-Dan. Doesn’t matter how well the Chess master plays, the 9-Dan can just keep putting his opponent’s pieces on the board and wipe him out through sheer numbers. 2. In order to actually monsterize a guy, you need to pour a MASSIVE amount of mamono mana into him. This means that a monster capable of incubisation has to fulfil two specific criteria. A. They possess a massive amount of mana themselves And B. They need to be able to distribute it to their target of choice. An example of a mamono possessing A and not B is Echidna. Their mana is so powerful that they create entire SPECIES of mamono just by having children with her husband. But, they can’t distribute it to their husband in any way, meaning that without outside help, they can’t incubise their husband. An example of B and not A is Mucus Toads. Their body fluids are potent due to having a good amount of their mana in it (to the point of it all having the same consistency and makeup of mucus), but despite practically coating their husbands in it 24/7, their husbands never turn into incubi by their mucus alone, the only time they can monsterise someone is when a human woman insults a mucus toads husband, and even then it requires a good deal of ingested mucus and time before they turn into a mucus toad themselves. Even mamono like dark slimes that can turn humans into incubi and monsters through their jelly and vampires who can transform men in a single bite can’t create a mamono realm. The only mamono that can do so are on par with the LILIM. So yeah, it’s not that hard to work a story around the lore. You just need to avoid introducing one of the living nukes without proper setup.