Indeed, the non-humanoid design was fascinating. But alas, dat Worf Effect . Poor Cirno Alpha too.
Can't really blame them. Story-wise, they did say that the Kaijus were getting stronger and better and are analyzing all their fighting styles and tactics from previous fights.
Can't really blame them. Story-wise, they did say that the Kaijus were getting stronger and better and are analyzing all their fighting styles and tactics from previous fights.
Still, after all that advertisements that they've beaten tens of Kaijus before without much problem, isn't it a little insensitive for them to instantly be pwned just so the white guy hero can save the day?
Hoped they would have at least take one of them down before dying. Or maybe be killed when Leatherback's blaster thing shut them off.
Not to mention that Gypsy Danger itself isn't really presenting any new fighting style nor tactics, unless Kaijus forgot to upgrade skin that provide defense against cargo ships.
Not to mention that Gypsy Danger itself isn't really presenting any new fighting style nor tactics, unless Kaijus forgot to upgrade skin that provide defense against cargo ships.
Invading aliens will always have a terrible weakness to american protagonists and plot armors. Sad truth
If we're talking weaknesses, just what the hell does the sentence "Gypsy's analog, nuclear energy!" mean? I don't think Gypsy would survive an EMP any more functional than the ones doing the battle, given that it was as much computer-controlled as Cirno (I took a liking to that nickname. Now why aren't there any pictures with that tag combination?) or Typhoon.
If we're talking weaknesses, just what the hell does the sentence "Gypsy's analog, nuclear energy!" mean? I don't think Gypsy would survive an EMP any more functional than the ones doing the battle, given that it was as much computer-controlled as Cirno (I took a liking to that nickname. Now why aren't there any pictures with that tag combination?) or Typhoon.
Well Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon were already dead when Leatherback used the EMP thing, that's why it was explicitly shown to affect only Striker Eureka.
And as far as nitpicking goes the "being able to use EMP = not self defense mechanism, it's obviously trying to kill us" argument is pretty dumb, you don't know how they're supposed to use EMP in their own environment. It's like saying some snakes develop venom because they wanna kill elephants, just only because they can doesn't mean they're intended for that purpose.
And btw the Cherno Alpha = Cirno doesn't seem so likely to me. Cherno, as in Chernobyl, in Japanese is チェルノブイリ in contrast to チルノ. Not too far of a stretch but still unlikely also due to the fact that Cherno Alpha is more of a Suwako bot.
Well Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon were already dead when Leatherback used the EMP thing, that's why it was explicitly shown to affect only Striker Eureka.
And as far as nitpicking goes the "being able to use EMP = not self defense mechanism, it's obviously trying to kill us" argument is pretty dumb, you don't know how they're supposed to use EMP in their own environment. It's like saying some snakes develop venom because they wanna kill elephants, just only because they can doesn't mean they're intended for that purpose.
And btw the Cherno Alpha = Cirno doesn't seem so likely to me. Cherno, as in Chernobyl, in Japanese is チェルノブイリ in contrast to チルノ. Not too far of a stretch but still unlikely also due to the fact that Cherno Alpha is more of a Suwako bot.
"Suwako bot", even "Pyonta Alpha", yes, someone made those jokes right after the first picture of the bots was posted here. But still, Cirno Alpha fits closer to the original name. To be honest, I think nicknames that can be formed with as little alteration as possible are the best. Hence, チェルノアルファ -> チルノアルpハ wins by a landslide, since it requires only a single kana, or two Latin letters.
My main nitpick about that scene (and possibly the only one in the movie, since it was too damn awesome be nitpicky about it) is that the EMP was shown to knock out systems even at the HQ, where Gypsy Danger was being stored at the time. Since it was just as computerized as the other three (it had to be, I find it hard to imagine neural bridging and plasma cannons being controlled by electron tubes, although it would make them "analog"), why didn't it go down with the rest? The phrase "Gypsy's analog. Nuclear." is the worst example of plot armor I can recall in recent film history...
My main nitpick about that scene (and possibly the only one in the movie, since it was too damn awesome be nitpicky about it)
Really? My main nitpick would be at the most popular plothole of the story, how despite knowing where Kaijus came from and later even their spawning time, they did absolutely nothing to take care of the portal until the end of the story.
Many people have been complaining that they could just nuke the place every time a Kaiju is detected but of course you can't just keep nuking the place over and over. My thoughts would be why did they bother stationing their Jaegers in different cities and not just build some fortress right beside the portal, stationing like 50 Jaegers there ready to beat the living apple out of any Kaiju who showed up. And of course you can still station Jaegers at your city if you like in case the portal got moved to somewhere else, then we can just go build another fortress there.
Other than that I can deal with the smaller inconsistencies and plotholes because they're just typical mistakes for almost every summer blockbusters anyway.
Really? My main nitpick would be at the most popular plothole of the story, how despite knowing where Kaijus came from and later even their spawning time, they did absolutely nothing to take care of the portal until the end of the story.
Many people have been complaining that they could just nuke the place every time a Kaiju is detected but of course you can't just keep nuking the place over and over. My thoughts would be why did they bother stationing their Jaegers in different cities and not just build some fortress right beside the portal, stationing like 50 Jaegers there ready to beat the living apple out of any Kaiju who showed up. And of course you can still station Jaegers at your city if you like in case the portal got moved to somewhere else, then we can just go build another fortress there.
Other than that I can deal with the smaller inconsistencies and plotholes because they're just typical mistakes for almost every summer blockbusters anyway.
You DO realize that they explained this, yes? They couldn't get through the bridge because the dimensional warp abilities used by the aliens rejected ANYTHING that was not a kaiju signature. Which is why what happened at the end of the movie was so important. And which is why they explicitly said that bombs and missiles bounced OFF of the bridge to the other dimension, so they couldn't damage it.
Invading aliens will always have a terrible weakness to american protagonists and plot armors. Sad truth
No, invading aliens will always have a terrible weakness to whatever nationality is writing and/or bankrolling the work of fiction. that the aliens come from.
It just FEELS like Americans come up more because we're the damn near only ones making big-budget live-action sci-fi blockbusters of the sort that have dramatic alien invasions.
You DO realize that they explained this, yes? They couldn't get through the bridge because the dimensional warp abilities used by the aliens rejected ANYTHING that was not a kaiju signature. Which is why what happened at the end of the movie was so important. And which is why they explicitly said that bombs and missiles bounced OFF of the bridge to the other dimension, so they couldn't damage it.
What I meant is simply "Why not have 30 Jaegers guarding the place 24/7" I don't see why they can't do that. They don't have to bomb the place, but they know where the Kaijus spawn and even the time they spawn, why bother guarding your cities when you can be guarding the very door they came through?
What I meant is simply "Why not have 30 Jaegers guarding the place 24/7" I don't see why they can't do that. They don't have to bomb the place, but they know where the Kaijus spawn and even the time they spawn, why bother guarding your cities when you can be guarding the very door they came through?
Because logistically, it would be a nightmare to build & resupply an underwater base. It's near-future, not far-future sci-fi.
What I meant is simply "Why not have 30 Jaegers guarding the place 24/7" I don't see why they can't do that. They don't have to bomb the place, but they know where the Kaijus spawn and even the time they spawn, why bother guarding your cities when you can be guarding the very door they came through?
What Kikimaru said, basically. The movie is set a few decades forward, and the Jaegers are the result of a highly directed, highly focused, intense research and engineering effort. The rest of technology, including logistics, simply did not advance far enough yet. That's why the Jaegers needed to be airlifted near the battle site via cargo choppers, and walk/sprint the rest of the way: they need a well-supplied base with engineering and repair bays, technician teams, spare parts, fuel, the power to utilize all this, computing infrastructure, and all of the preceding need a myriad of little things without which they would simply break down and cease to function (living quarters, food, air, drinking water, power, healthcare, etc.).
Not just battles, entire wars|/i] are won and lost on logistics and supplies, even today, not just in the Middle Ages. By the time of the movie, the supply chain simply didn't permit that kind of force projection just yet, and especially did not permit it for extended periods of time. Except for that one suicide run on the portal, but that doesn't exactly count as force projection
What Kikimaru said, basically. The movie is set a few decades forward, and the Jaegers are the result of a highly directed, highly focused, intense research and engineering effort. The rest of technology, including logistics, simply did not advance far enough yet. That's why the Jaegers needed to be airlifted near the battle site via cargo choppers, and walk/sprint the rest of the way: they need a well-supplied base with engineering and repair bays, technician teams, spare parts, fuel, the power to utilize all this, computing infrastructure, and all of the preceding need a myriad of little things without which they would simply break down and cease to function (living quarters, food, air, drinking water, power, healthcare, etc.).
Still, since they managed to make land-based Jaegers able to operate perfectly fine underwater, why not make Jaegers specialized in underwater battle patrol the place at all time? They could have some sort of aircraft carriers acting as stations for these Jaegers, if not full fledged aquatic fortress of some sort.
Even for human warfare we have specialized forces for land, sea, and sky, I don't see how anything would be different with war against giant monsters.
Further more, if the government supports the idea of building walls to keep Kaijus out(Shingeki no Kyojin style), why don't they just build walls surrounding the portal alone, with just enough space for Jaegers to fight in? Definitely it will use less resources to build than the long wall surrounding the entire ocean they actually agreed to. And no don't use the "technology aren't good enough to build in the deep sea" argument on that one, they made robots that move perfectly fine under all that harsh deep sea environment, surely they can build some static walls and fortresses.
Still, since they managed to make land-based Jaegers able to operate perfectly fine underwater, why not make Jaegers specialized in underwater battle patrol the place at all time? They could have some sort of aircraft carriers acting as stations for these Jaegers, if not full fledged aquatic fortress of some sort.
Even for human warfare we have specialized forces for land, sea, and sky, I don't see how anything would be different with war against giant monsters.
Further more, if the government supports the idea of building walls to keep Kaijus out(Shingeki no Kyojin style), why don't they just build walls surrounding the portal alone, with just enough space for Jaegers to fight in? Definitely it will use less resources to build than the long wall surrounding the entire ocean they actually agreed to. And no don't use the "technology aren't good enough to build in the deep sea" argument on that one, they made robots that move perfectly fine under all that harsh deep sea environment, surely they can build some static walls and fortresses.
You do realize how difficult it is to make concrete set well in a simple lake to build a pier, let alone a river to build a dam, and let alone in an ocean, exposed to rapid currents, right next to an interdimensional portal spawning giant monsters? And then there's the question of the wall's structure, reinforcements, and the fact that just after building the wall, the first Kaiju walked through it like the Colossal-Armored Titan duo.
It's not just a question of technology, it's a question of resources, and how fast you can move them. Let's take the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, which can be mobile bases because of their nuclear power plant generating electricity and motive power with low fuel requirements, and scarce actual sorties, so the planes don't need repairs, rearming, and refueling so often. Additionally, even an entire carrier wing probably doesn't have the sheer manpower and resource need that a single Jaeger has. Hell, Gypsy was being repaired using a scaffold! There's simply no way to put something that large on a mobile platform and expect it to work for any time whatsoever. Simply put, the Jaegers are too big and too hungry to be based on anything else than dedicated facilities.
You do realize how difficult it is to make concrete set well in a simple lake to build a pier, let alone a river to build a dam, and let alone in an ocean, exposed to rapid currents, right next to an interdimensional portal spawning giant monsters? And then there's the question of the wall's structure, reinforcements, and the fact that just after building the wall,
the first Kaiju walked through it like the Colossal-Armored Titan duo.
It's not just a question of technology, it's a question of resources, and how fast you can move them. Let's take the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, which can be mobile bases because of their nuclear power plant generating electricity and motive power with low fuel requirements, and scarce actual sorties, so the planes don't need repairs, rearming, and refueling so often. Additionally, even an entire carrier wing probably doesn't have the sheer manpower and resource need that a single Jaeger has. Hell, Gypsy was being repaired using a scaffold! There's simply no way to put something that large on a mobile platform and expect it to work for any time whatsoever. Simply put, the Jaegers are too big and too hungry to be based on anything else than dedicated facilities.
The movie's attempt to make the government look like idiots aside, I chose to believe that the first wall was only broken because it was either incomplete, unprepared, or a prototype that needs improvement. By any kid's common sense they would have had mounted some heavy artilleries on the wall to keep the Kaijus knocking at their door out, like in both Shingeki no Kyojin and Monster Hunter.
Now about the base, I never said to build them right NEXT to the portal, have I? The base, mobile or not, can be compromised to be built in shallower waters to lessen the natural hazards or at least on some random island around there, seriously anywhere they can send the Jaegers in to kill the Kaijus before they can reach civilian areas. The movie never tried to justify this part, apart from Knifehead, every other time it looked almost like they were waiting for the Kaijus to come to them to civilian areas.
And if aircraft carriers won't be enough, why don't they just split the Jaegers into pieces so they can be individually repaired at different places, perhaps on different carriers and just combined later into the mech only when needed, super sentai style? What's the point of having the mech standing in its full height at all time when it needs reparation? That would cut down the 'too big' problem quite easily.
And I can't believe you're pulling out cost as a reason here, I mean seriously what's more important, expensive reparation costs for your underwater base, or the lives of countless citizens and potentially even more expensive collateral damages?
The movie's attempt to make the government look like idiots aside, I chose to believe that the first wall was only broken because it was either incomplete, unprepared, or a prototype that needs improvement. By any kid's common sense they would have had mounted some heavy artilleries on the wall to keep the Kaijus knocking at their door out, like in both Shingeki no Kyojin and Monster Hunter.
Now about the base, I never said to build them right NEXT to the portal, have I? The base, mobile or not, can be compromised to be built in shallower waters to lessen the natural hazards or at least on some random island around there, seriously anywhere they can send the Jaegers in to kill the Kaijus before they can reach civilian areas. The movie never tried to justify this part, apart from Knifehead, every other time it looked almost like they were waiting for the Kaijus to come to them to civilian areas.
And if aircraft carriers won't be enough, why don't they just split the Jaegers into pieces so they can be individually repaired at different places, perhaps on different carriers and just combined later into the mech only when needed, super sentai style? What's the point of having the mech standing in its full height at all time when it needs reparation? That would cut down the 'too big' problem quite easily.
And I can't believe you're pulling out cost as a reason here, I mean seriously what's more important, expensive reparation costs for your underwater base, or the lives of countless citizens and potentially even more expensive collateral damages?
In-universe, it took the US military 6 days of fighting before they realised that conventional weaponry did not work. They had to use 3 NUKES & sacrifice Oakland to kill Trespasser... a LEVEL 1 threat. Therefore, conventional/wall-mounted defences are doomed to fail, especially with escalating threat levels.
The wall was just that - a wall. Walls are not impregnable, and sieges are a stalling device meant to make the attacker give up & go home. Additionally, the design they employed wasn't the best; a dam-style sloped wall MIGHT have been a tiny bit more effective. It was a morale-builder and something to keep the poor occupied while the rich moved inland.
They waited because the Kaijuu are much faster/maneuvrable underwater than any human vehicles. Therefore, it's better to let the enemy come to you, which also gives you time to hunker down & prepare your defences.
Again, split-up mecha parts present a logistical nightmare. How quickly can you reassemble? How can you ensure the parts are fixed to full combat capability? How can you be certain it's put back together securely if you're racing against the clock? And what of the glaring weakpoints those extra joints present?
It's not just pure $ cost, it's "can we actually do this?" and/or "can we find enough people willing to die if construction goes wrong?"
In-universe, it took the US military 6 days of fighting before they realised that conventional weaponry did not work. They had to use 3 NUKES & sacrifice Oakland to kill Trespasser... a LEVEL 1 threat. Therefore, conventional/wall-mounted defences are doomed to fail, especially with escalating threat levels.
The wall was just that - a wall. Walls are not impregnable, and sieges are a stalling device meant to make the attacker give up & go home. Additionally, the design they employed wasn't the best; a dam-style sloped wall MIGHT have been a tiny bit more effective. It was a morale-builder and something to keep the poor occupied while the rich moved inland.
They waited because the Kaijuu are much faster/maneuvrable underwater than any human vehicles. Therefore, it's better to let the enemy come to you, which also gives you time to hunker down & prepare your defences.
Again, split-up mecha parts present a logistical nightmare. How quickly can you reassemble? How can you ensure the parts are fixed to full combat capability? How can you be certain it's put back together securely if you're racing against the clock? And what of the glaring weakpoints those extra joints present?
It's not just pure $ cost, it's "can we actually do this?" and/or "can we find enough people willing to die if construction goes wrong?"
With regards to the portal, I seem to remember in the movie that they mentioned of actually trying to throw explosives or attacking it (before the drop the nuke idea), but everything bounces off. Also, I think they never realized that Kaijus were actually invaders (they initially thought they were just mindless beast), which I assume is why they weren't in a hurry to destroy the portal. They were probably thinking... oh another one, let's send a Jaeger and beat it back using a couple or so punches, at the same time, they were using Kaijus as a form of resources (which might help cover the cost of researching/building/repairing Jaegers)
In-universe, it took the US military 6 days of fighting before they realised that conventional weaponry did not work. They had to use 3 NUKES & sacrifice Oakland to kill Trespasser... a LEVEL 1 threat. Therefore, conventional/wall-mounted defences are doomed to fail, especially with escalating threat levels.
The wall was just that - a wall. Walls are not impregnable, and sieges are a stalling device meant to make the attacker give up & go home. Additionally, the design they employed wasn't the best; a dam-style sloped wall MIGHT have been a tiny bit more effective. It was a morale-builder and something to keep the poor occupied while the rich moved inland.
They waited because the Kaijuu are much faster/maneuvrable underwater than any human vehicles. Therefore, it's better to let the enemy come to you, which also gives you time to hunker down & prepare your defences.
Again, split-up mecha parts present a logistical nightmare. How quickly can you reassemble? How can you ensure the parts are fixed to full combat capability? How can you be certain it's put back together securely if you're racing against the clock? And what of the glaring weakpoints those extra joints present?
It's not just pure $ cost, it's "can we actually do this?" and/or "can we find enough people willing to die if construction goes wrong?"
I refuse to believe Trespasser is Level 1, I just checked Pacific Rim wikia and it said that that Trespasser doesn't have a designated level. Because if Level 1 can withstand 3 nukes AND conventional weaponry, would you care to explain to me why Level 4 Kaijus can be killed by simple sword blows and cargo ships? Not to mention Eureka has missiles that can hurt and kill Kaijus, I don't see why they can't put turrets of those things on the wall and around the portal, is it because mounting these missiles on a giant robot instantly give them some extra magical powers and that's why it worked?
Even if you want to wait, waiting 500 meters away from civilian area is the stupidest idea ever, why not wait for them in the open sea further away? And if you call 'standing still and let them eat us' as 'preparing', I think they really need to redo their strategy, I mean seriously the Jaegers didn't even have sonar or anything to detect the Kaijus while they're underwater when even cheap ass fishing boat have said sonars.
They can build giant robots that punch giant monsters to death, I refuse to believe the technicians can't put together a more effective and efficient methods of repairing the Jaegers. And well as you can see what happened to poor Typhoon and Alpha, I don't think Jaegers in the movie fare any better when it came to protecting their 'weakpoints'. And don't pull the "they never faced 2 LV4 Kaijus at once" trick, Gypsy solo'd both of them and we know full well why, because she's piloted by the white guy hero.
They managed to recruited tons of people to build the walls and the wall building job itself have enough fatality rate. Heck even today's people are willing to risk their lives to catch crabs just for us to eat, I don't see why recruiting people who's willing to die building a fortress in the face of apocalypse would be hard.
And you do notice that all my nitpicking could be overruled simply by saying "it just happened that way so the movie can show us epic fight scenes with epic visualizations in epic locations where the white guy hero can win", that's why there's no complete logical justifications to the events of the movie.
I refuse to believe Trespasser is Level 1, I just checked Pacific Rim wikia and it said that that Trespasser doesn't have a designated level. Because if Level 1 can withstand 3 nukes AND conventional weaponry, would you care to explain to me why Level 4 Kaijus can be killed by simple sword blows and cargo ships? Not to mention Eureka has missiles that can hurt and kill Kaijus, I don't see why they can't put turrets of those things on the wall and around the portal, is it because mounting these missiles on a giant robot instantly give them some extra magical powers and that's why it worked?
Even if you want to wait, waiting 500 meters away from civilian area is the stupidest idea ever, why not wait for them in the open sea further away? And if you call 'standing still and let them eat us' as 'preparing', I think they really need to redo their strategy, I mean seriously the Jaegers didn't even have sonar or anything to detect the Kaijus while they're underwater when even cheap ass fishing boat have said sonars.
They can build giant robots that punch giant monsters to death, I refuse to believe the technicians can't put together a more effective and efficient methods of repairing the Jaegers. And well as you can see what happened to poor Typhoon and Alpha, I don't think Jaegers in the movie fare any better when it came to protecting their 'weakpoints'. And don't pull the "they never faced 2 LV4 Kaijus at once" trick, Gypsy solo'd both of them and we know full well why, because she's piloted by the white guy hero.
They managed to recruited tons of people to build the walls and the wall building job itself have enough fatality rate. Heck even today's people are willing to risk their lives to catch crabs just for us to eat, I don't see why recruiting people who's willing to die building a fortress in the face of apocalypse would be hard.
And you do notice that all my nitpicking could be overruled simply by saying "it just happened that way so the movie can show us epic fight scenes with epic visualizations in epic locations where the white guy hero can win", that's why there's no complete logical justifications to the events of the movie.
Logically, Trespasser was a Level 1 because the invaders kept sending progressively larger/stronger Kaijuu -- they sent weak Kaijuu to begin with because they thought they'd face little opposition.
If you wait for them "in the open sea", guess what -- you have no ground to stand on! So you then either make a flying mecha (unfeasible), floating mecha (inferior to a ship), or... you don't do that, and you wait in the part of the sea that's <50m deep, i.e. near the coast. Geography's a bitch. As for the no-sonar thing, the Jaegers are designed for land-based combat, and they were vastly underfunded towards the end of the movie.
The only reason Gypsy Danger was able to "solo" the 2 Kaijuu is because she got to take them on one after another - it's impossible to know how she' would've done in a 2-on-1, plot armor notwithstanding.
You're forgetting that a Jaeger has 2 heroes, and one of them was a Japanese girl.
Still, after all that advertisements that they've beaten tens of Kaijus before without much problem, isn't it a little insensitive for them to instantly be pwned just so the white guy hero can save the day?
Hoped they would have at least take one of them down before dying. Or maybe be killed when Leatherback's blaster thing shut them off.
Not to mention that Gypsy Danger itself isn't really presenting any new fighting style nor tactics, unless Kaijus forgot to upgrade skin that provide defense against cargo ships.
The ability to defend against many kaiju beforehand doesn't mean they're invincible. I would hope that you noticed Otatchi was rather fast, intelligent, and packed with multiple arrays of biological weaponry. While it was stated Crimson Typhoon and Cherno Alpha defeated Cat 4's before, it doesn't mean all Cat 4's are the same. Newt mentioned in the elevator that Knifehead was the largest Cat 4 they'd seen.
Put plainly, a Kaiju could be Category 4 and still be a step above other Cat 4's... Evidently Otatchi was clearly more advanced. I think it made perfect sense. I'll admit I was very disappointed that we got to see so little of them (especially Cherno), but it is what it is.
Logically, Trespasser was a Level 1 because the invaders kept sending progressively larger/stronger Kaijuu -- they sent weak Kaijuu to begin with because they thought they'd face little opposition.
If you wait for them "in the open sea", guess what -- you have no ground to stand on! So you then either make a flying mecha (unfeasible), floating mecha (inferior to a ship), or... you don't do that, and you wait in the part of the sea that's <50m deep, i.e. near the coast. Geography's a bitch. As for the no-sonar thing, the Jaegers are designed for land-based combat, and they were vastly underfunded towards the end of the movie.
The only reason Gypsy Danger was able to "solo" the 2 Kaijuu is because she got to take them on one after another - it's impossible to know how she' would've done in a 2-on-1, plot armor notwithstanding.
You're forgetting that a Jaeger has 2 heroes, and one of them was a Japanese girl.
I chose to believe that the Kaiju ranking system had only been used after the launch of Jaegers to help the Jaegers to classify their foes, therefore I personally believe that Trespasser could potentially be the strongest Kaiju, even moreso than Slattern. Because otherwise it just wouldn't make any sense why a LV1 Kaiju needs 3 nukes to kill while a LV4 Kaiju can potentially be killed by a single sword blow(Raiju), not to mention that Slattern, a Level 5, sustained critical damages from a single nuke strike, it may survived one but it doesn't look like it could take another. I know you're trying to use the "they send progressively stronger Kaijus to wipe us out" explanation, but think about it first. Why would they? Why didn't they just skip to sending LV4 all the time once they see that LV2s aren't doing the job? Also, why send one Kaiju each time? Why not delay an attack for a year to make more Kaijus and then send like 20 out of the portal all at once? I think it's because they can't, the aliens themselves too are just in the process of developing their own technology, trying to perfect it. That's why they couldn't create LV4s as quickly since the beginning. Trespasser could be the 1st prototype Kaiju they created but was the Kaiju they took thousands of years to improve upon, that's why it became the strongest Kaiju that requires 3 nukes to die, the later Kaijus just took less time to make and so was weaker than Trespasser.
I never said Typhoon and Alpha must be invincible, I wasn't even bitching how they died in a fight against 2 LV4s at once, I'm bitching how they died so easily, so unceremoniously that it's not even funny. They were the veterans and yet they died just so the story can establish the worf effect for the plot armor-heavy Gypsy can take Leatherback and Otachi by herself(we can argue whole day whether or not Gypsy's plot armor came from having a white guy hero piloting her, but let's just settle with her having heavy plot armor). If you disagree you can watch the movie again and count how many hits Typhoon and Alpha took before dying, compare that to how many hits Gypsy took and still got back up like it's nothing, it's plot armor in full effect. And as they've mentioned in the very beginning of the story, the closer the bonds of the pilots, the stronger the control over Jaeger. The other pilots have strong familial bonds they've been reinforcing for years, if not their entire lives and yet Gypsy, with pilots who aren't family and have only met within less than 1 month earlier, managed to take both Kaijus down by herself while the others died, how does that work for you?
Again, just admit they have too much plot armor on Gypsy and sacrificed a lot of logic for the sake of the epic fight scenes. I don't hate this movie, I'm just nitpicking on the parts I think needs improvements.
I chose to believe that the Kaiju ranking system had only been used after the launch of Jaegers to help the Jaegers to classify their foes, therefore I personally believe that Trespasser could potentially be the strongest Kaiju, even moreso than Slattern. Because otherwise it just wouldn't make any sense why a LV1 Kaiju needs 3 nukes to kill while a LV4 Kaiju can potentially be killed by a single sword blow(Raiju), not to mention that Slattern, a Level 5, sustained critical damages from a single nuke strike, it may survived one but it doesn't look like it could take another. I know you're trying to use the "they send progressively stronger Kaijus to wipe us out" explanation, but think about it first. Why would they? Why didn't they just skip to sending LV4 all the time once they see that LV2s aren't doing the job? Also, why send one Kaiju each time? Why not delay an attack for a year to make more Kaijus and then send like 20 out of the portal all at once? I think it's because they can't, the aliens themselves too are just in the process of developing their own technology, trying to perfect it. That's why they couldn't create LV4s as quickly since the beginning. Trespasser could be the 1st prototype Kaiju they created but was the Kaiju they took thousands of years to improve upon, that's why it became the strongest Kaiju that requires 3 nukes to die, the later Kaijus just took less time to make and so was weaker than Trespasser.
I never said Typhoon and Alpha must be invincible, I wasn't even bitching how they died in a fight against 2 LV4s at once, I'm bitching how they died so easily, so unceremoniously that it's not even funny. They were the veterans and yet they died just so the story can establish the worf effect for the plot armor-heavy Gypsy can take Leatherback and Otachi by herself(we can argue whole day whether or not Gypsy's plot armor came from having a white guy hero piloting her, but let's just settle with her having heavy plot armor). If you disagree you can watch the movie again and count how many hits Typhoon and Alpha took before dying, compare that to how many hits Gypsy took and still got back up like it's nothing, it's plot armor in full effect. And as they've mentioned in the very beginning of the story, the closer the bonds of the pilots, the stronger the control over Jaeger. The other pilots have strong familial bonds they've been reinforcing for years, if not their entire lives and yet Gypsy, with pilots who aren't family and have only met within less than 1 month earlier, managed to take both Kaijus down by herself while the others died, how does that work for you?
Again, just admit they have too much plot armor on Gypsy and sacrificed a lot of logic for the sake of the epic fight scenes. I don't hate this movie, I'm just nitpicking on the parts I think needs improvements.
You do realize a sword is able to pierce *VITAL AREAS* where as a Nuke is just something really really really hot, right?
You do realize a sword is able to pierce *VITAL AREAS* where as a Nuke is just something really really really hot, right?
I think I can add another part on that:
a nuke exploded underwater has much stronger force than one being use above the water. Pressure will greatly have an effect, as explained in Mythbusters. It's the main reason why Depth Charges are dangerous on submarines, pressure alone breaks hulls. On the other hand, I like the way the actually implemented the "Vacuum after-effect" where the water rushed back to Ground Zero, and that actually damaged Gypsy even further.
You do realize a sword is able to pierce *VITAL AREAS* where as a Nuke is just something really really really hot, right?
And you do realize what you're saying sounds like "I think a well-aimed fruit knife is a better weapon to take down a tank than a grenade launcher", right?
And you do realize what you're saying sounds like "I think a well-aimed fruit knife is a better weapon to take down a tank than a grenade launcher", right?
That's not at all what I'm saying even if it's true.
A nuke, is a dangerous weapon yes. But it's a dangerous weapon over a Vast distance. It's an area dispersion device which is used to decimate *locations.* A sword, or any bladed weapon can deal precise, localized, focused damage to any one part of a target. So while using a Nuke would be a great idea. The fact three were needed, along with the sacrifice of an urban center. It's not logistically sound to do in the future if they had to fight more of these things.
That's why Jaegers were designed for MELEE combat first and foremost.
That's not at all what I'm saying even if it's true.
A nuke, is a dangerous weapon yes. But it's a dangerous weapon over a Vast distance. It's an area dispersion device which is used to decimate *locations.* A sword, or any bladed weapon can deal precise, localized, focused damage to any one part of a target. So while using a Nuke would be a great idea. The fact three were needed, along with the sacrifice of an urban center. It's not logistically sound to do in the future if they had to fight more of these things.
That's why Jaegers were designed for MELEE combat first and foremost.
Well it seems you have to reread all my posts then
I never said they should nuke all the Kaijus, my point is that Trespasser, a Kaiju claimed by Kikimaru to be LV1, required 3 nukes to die. This is in contradiction to how swords and to other extents, punching AND cargo ships can hurt LV4 Kaijus with no problem.
A nuke is as you said, a wide area damage, does that mean the nuke can't hit the Kaiju's weak points? No, every single pixel on that CGI monster is showered in 10 million degrees kelvin temperature, which obviously is stronger than a sword blow by several hundred times. Trespasser walked not one but TWO of the thing off, only dying at the third explosion, tell me how is that thing is supposed to be far inferior than another Kaiju which got bisected when it swims into a sword? Inertia and all the damages able to be done by a sword still would be much, much, much weaker than what a single nuke can give. Rest the "later Kaijus are always stronger" train of thought for a moment, and you will see Trespasser is far superior to all the LV4 shown, possibly even more than a LV5.
Well it seems you have to reread all my posts then
I never said they should nuke all the Kaijus, my point is that Trespasser, a Kaiju claimed by Kikimaru to be LV1, required 3 nukes to die. This is in contradiction to how swords and to other extents, punching AND cargo ships can hurt LV4 Kaijus with no problem.
A nuke is as you said, a wide area damage, does that mean the nuke can't hit the Kaiju's weak points? No, every single pixel on that CGI monster is showered in 10 million degrees kelvin temperature, which obviously is stronger than a sword blow by several hundred times. Trespasser walked not one but TWO of the thing off, only dying at the third explosion, tell me how is that thing is supposed to be far inferior than another Kaiju which got bisected when it swims into a sword? Inertia and all the damages able to be done by a sword still would be much, much, much weaker than what a single nuke can give. Rest the "later Kaijus are always stronger" train of thought for a moment, and you will see Trespasser is far superior to all the LV4 shown, possibly even more than a LV5.
I'm going to have to ask you to cite where you're getting 10 million degrees kelven for an atomic weapon blast.
I'm going to have to ask you to cite where you're getting 10 million degrees kelven for an atomic weapon blast.
10 million degrees kelvin are the higher estimates of the temperature in the center area of a nuclear strike. Granted that we don't know what specific bomb is used on Trespasser so I may be overestimating the temperature of the bomb actually used in this case. But both points still stands, certain nuclear blasts can indeed reach 10 million degrees kelvin in temperature and any given atomic weapon still is several hundred times stronger than a sword.
Well, I'm not even sure what kind of materials they used for the sword. It might be some kind of reinforced alloy, that is mildly malleable (as to be able to retract).
10 million degrees kelvin are the higher estimates of the temperature in the center area of a nuclear strike. Granted that we don't know what specific bomb is used on Trespasser so I may be overestimating the temperature of the bomb actually used in this case. But both points still stands, certain nuclear blasts can indeed reach 10 million degrees kelvin in temperature and any given atomic weapon still is several hundred times stronger than a sword.