The rest of the pool got deleted because it was "disgusting". I would say you shouldn't upload anymore until they decide what to do.
I already appealed for this, because even if I don't like this set, I dislike far more than some faulty Mod just deleted things because he didn't like the content itself, even when several people appealed in its favor.
Mods are supposed to respect the rules of the site at least, and there is no rule against "disgusting" content.
Except none of the posts in the pool were outright deleted by anyone. They were flagged, none of the mods ever decided to reapprove them, and then they ended up being deleted automatically.
feline_lump said: Except none of the posts in the pool were outright deleted by anyone. They were flagged, none of the mods ever decided to reapprove them, and then they ended up being deleted automatically.
Oh fuck, well my bad they didn't get straight up deleted by a Mod, but then again no one decided to step up and defend things they dislike but are okay by the rules.
JesusK said: Mods are supposed to respect the rules of the site at least, and there is no rule against "disgusting" content.
Except that some types of "disgusting" content is not allowed under the ToS, including scat and guro. Yeah, these comics don't fall under those categories, but there is precedent of certain types of content not allowed here.
I know, my wording could have been better, I meant that just being "disgusting" to you, doesn't make it against the rules, as disgusting is subjective. I find chibis disgusting, then we can delete them all because of this? It's subjective to you what attracts and rejects you.
Those rules are clear against a few things (even though we still have a ton of scat/guro around here)
JesusK said: I meant that just being "disgusting" to you, doesn't make it against the rules, as disgusting is subjective.
i'm pretty sure if you asked, the vast majority of the people out there would find the notion of girls with literal "pussy-mouths" to be rather "disgusting". and i can honestly say this is neither pleasant to look at (art quality wise), nor pleasant to look at (it just plain and out right disgusts me, and i curse the day my curiosity lead me to this and the other pictures).
\Atai/ said: i'm pretty sure if you asked, the vast majority of the people out there would find the notion of girls with literal "pussy-mouths" to be rather "disgusting". and i can honestly say this is neither pleasant to look at (art quality wise), nor pleasant to look at (it just plain and out right disgusts me, and i curse the day my curiosity lead me to this and the other pictures).
I haven't said that many people don't find it disgusting. They sure do, I don't care but I don´t like them either. And I don't want to go on how what you find disgusting comes a lot with the society your life and education.
I'm saying, that regardless of you finding it disgusting, it's not something that goes against the rules. It's not something that everyone hates, and it's not something that should have been flagged to begin with, because like it or not, its okay by danbooru rules to be here.
BUT, you say the art is not pleasant to look at, so the quality itself is bad? If that's your argument, then it's empty and flawed, given how there are several images here with a far worse quality of art, less time, less effort, less details.
Again, I don't even like those pictures, but deleting something because many people don't like it, is biased bullshit. They are not forcing you to see it, you can avoid the tags and the artist, and you can just not watch it.
Even more the rules on danbooru are probably there not because they don't want the content, but for the ads.
PD: I don't want more pointless replies, if you want to defend the deletion give me a sound argument about how the rules say it should stay deleted(there is none).
I find the art passable, neither particularly bad, nor particularly good. The concept of incorrectly positioned body parts is nothing particularly new (Pablo Picasso is actually famous for it) or disgusting, but the premise of giving it to someone else to get rid of it is entertaining.
This artist's works are just bizarre or scary. post #1100294 and post #1101637 weren't deleted even though they are considered guro. Sanae being blown off by Aya's camera and a razor blade trap when Alice pressed the light switch. Even the thumbnails aren't misleading and you can see for what they are. Curiosity probably got most people to click on them.
Probably shouldn't upload this anyway, but there are even more disturbing pictures from a few artists anyway.
Those 2 posts shouldn't have been uploaded. At least not the Alice one, it's straight up guro. I will gladly flag it. The Sanae one is making reference to the STB games, it's not heavy guro.
This ones are not guro, not scat and don't break rules. Uploading this is not wrong, it doesn't go against the rules, and should remain here, as long as they meet the quality standards. A minority might like them, but that doesn't make it okay to delete this ones, because a majority dislikes it.
IF you want to claim the quality standards to be higher than this ones, I can find thousands of posts that are lower. Will they delete those? No because they don't disgust them.
Edit: Whoever flagged this picture, you are a a douche, who not only misses the point, but basically shit on whoever could have liked this in any way. I will gladly, if this gets deleted and the pool doesn't get restored, start flagging all the things that are disgusting, using this as argument, and if they de-flag those its just hypocrite.
I vote getting rid of flagging altogether and just let the mods not approve something if it's not allowed. As far as I've seen, flagging does nothing but tear the user base apart.
You can tell me what it's supposed to be "about" and "used for" all you want; you don't see that positivity in play.
FJH said: I vote getting rid of flagging altogether and just let the mods not approve something if it's not allowed. As far as I've seen, flagging does nothing but tear the user base apart.
You can tell me what it's supposed to be "about" and "used for" all you want; you don't see that positivity in play.
It is a flawed system. You can flag things, that are controversial, and mods will just be "afraid" to de-flag it, because people dislike the things that the image show. That's why those images didn't get re-aproved. It's not quality of art. There are many many with worse quality out there.
But whatever, I think I will just give up. I'm fighting because the rules are not being followed, the upload rules and the behavior rules. There is a ton of double standards and bias. I don't like this gallery, I wouldn't have uploaded it, the same way I wouldn't have uploaded half the things on danbooru just because of the quality of art. But people did, and they are better than many others here. Only to recieve stupid arguments and votes from people who are too narrow minded to realize what the actual issue is.
EDIT: I bet the one downvoting my comments is not even reading. But whatever. I won't reply nor bother with the whole flag/deletion anymore unless it's my own upload. It's tiring when people are being irrational.
Mods have never been "afraid" to de-flag content, I've seen enough flag/approval wars to vouch for that. But if the mods do not deem something worth salvaging from the flag heap, then it gets the axe, it's simple as that.
You should know by now that "There are worse images out there" is not accepted as an excuse, as you are free to flag any offending images you find yourself if you feel they are not up to par.
Controversy, and hypocrisy. That's what this artist draws half of the time. What's even funnier is "Dr. sunshine" had an opposite occurence in which a poorly made sketch of Cirno was flagged. So many people were against it and appealed to it. It was deleted for quality control. This sote pushes more towards quality control then content control. Why do you think over 800+ guro pictures are on here and still standing?
Actually, as someone who was in on that Cirno controversy, the reason that the Cirno pic was deleted was because, even with sloppy art all around, it had no content, which at least the rest of the series could try to justify itself with.
The DrSunshine thing also had the problem this recent spat of deletions had, where the DrSunshine defenders were so utterly hostile to everyone on the boards that people were opposed to the DrSunshine works simply because of distaste for the fans of those works.
It's not unreasonable to say that having content that is interesting justifies poor art - without that content, the image has to stand up on image quality alone. That means that images can be judged on two different criteria in aggregate, which isn't the same thing as a double standard.
As for this picture, yes, everything this artist depicts is quite disturbing on a rather deep level. Personally, I'm more terrified of the mind control things than the semi-guro, but hey, that's just me.
However, I certainly don't like anything Gaoo has been releasing recently, but I don't think that Gaoo's works are inappropriate for the site, and clearly someone likes them, so there is no justification to delete them.
Meanwhile, I like Nanashi's recent extremely sadistic girl/"maggot sempai" series just because I'm kind of tired of seeing so many sadistic male viewer with submissive/raped/abused female character pictures, but at the same time, there are obviously people who don't like those pics. If I want the things I like to stay on, its reasonable to defend the Gaoo-type things.
Likewise, S Zenith Lee, Depth Bomb, and to a lesser extent, Ao Usagi draw bizarre and frequently disturbing things, but there is some justification in simply being bizarre and disturbing artwork. The "what" tag is popular (if abused) for a reason - people sometimes just want to see strange art.
NWSiaCB said: Actually, as someone who was in on that Cirno controversy, the reason that the Cirno pic was deleted was because, even with sloppy art all around, it had no content, which at least the rest of the series could try to justify itself with.
The DrSunshine thing also had the problem this recent spat of deletions had, where the DrSunshine defenders were so utterly hostile to everyone on the boards that people were opposed to the DrSunshine works simply because of distaste for the fans of those works.
It's not unreasonable to say that having content that is interesting justifies poor art - without that content, the image has to stand up on image quality alone. That means that images can be judged on two different criteria in aggregate, which isn't the same thing as a double standard.
As for this picture, yes, everything this artist depicts is quite disturbing on a rather deep level. Personally, I'm more terrified of the mind control things than the semi-guro, but hey, that's just me.
However, I certainly don't like anything Gaoo has been releasing recently, but I don't think that Gaoo's works are inappropriate for the site, and clearly someone likes them, so there is no justification to delete them.
Meanwhile, I like Nanashi's recent extremely sadistic girl/"maggot sempai" series just because I'm kind of tired of seeing so many sadistic male viewer with submissive/raped/abused female character pictures, but at the same time, there are obviously people who don't like those pics. If I want the things I like to stay on, its reasonable to defend the Gaoo-type things.
Likewise, S Zenith Lee, Depth Bomb, and to a lesser extent, Ao Usagi draw bizarre and frequently disturbing things, but there is some justification in simply being bizarre and disturbing artwork. The "what" tag is popular (if abused) for a reason - people sometimes just want to see strange art.
People have wanted to cut-up, rape, torture, harass, and chew depthbomb out for as long, and I've seen the comments about Depthbomb. Most people laugh at the content from Ao Usagi, __
in the end, some people are just not worth explaining it to. Everyone has their own tasteswith pictures. Thus, that's what brings these conflicts and discussions about this type of picture. Sukedai's work made me laugh most of the time. If I don't like the work, I just move on. I consider others tastes in pictures so It's not needed to be removed.
NWSiaCB said: [...]However, I certainly don't like anything Gaoo has been releasing recently, but I don't think that Gaoo's works are inappropriate for the site, and clearly someone likes them, so there is no justification to delete them.[...]
I frequently translate Gaoo's bullying series and its commentary (or at least I try to...). It's not as bad as it used to be, these days Gaoo doesn't try to outright fi]kill[/i] the girls. He had a lighter spell, and it seems to have stuck, so no more feeding Momiji chocolate, and leaving Reisen alone in a shed. Sadism is sorta-kinda okay, as long as it gets used in a comical fashion, like in his newer works. The same goes for Nanashi's senpai-series.
Personally, I'm against flagging such things. Or even flagging anything but quality problems, such as pixellation or corrupted files. If someone's into gore or similar, let them view images that suit their tastes, even if I'm not into it personally. I'll just skip those, and go look at something else I like. To be honest, I think both the moderation queue and flagging could be mostly done away with, in favor of a vote- (and not just for Premium account holders) and tag-based marking system to illustrate quality and mark those entries with explicit content for viewer discretion.
ThunderBird said: in favor of a vote- (and not just for Premium account holders) and tag-based marking system to illustrate quality
Consensus doesn't equal quality. What would happen under such a system, and I'm not saying might this would happen, is Danbooru would be completely awash with garbage. Go look at Gelbooru, now imagine it being ten times worse. Tagging would suffer as well for the record, which would make viewer discretion harder to exercise.
Consensus doesn't equal quality. What would happen under such a system, and I'm not saying might this would happen, is Danbooru would be completely awash with garbage. Go look at Gelbooru, now imagine it being ten times worse. Tagging would suffer as well for the record, which would make viewer discretion harder to exercise.
Tags can be edited, if someone sees something missing, just add the tag.
When talking about art, no, it doesn't. But the general quality guidelines (say, dislike of pixellation or blurry upscaled images) are set by consensus to which we conform, either consciously or unconsciously. And unfortunately, quality control cannot be automated.
ThunderBird said: Tags can be edited, if someone sees something missing, just add the tag.
This is a pretty simplistic view of things. It wouldn't just be one or a few posts that are under or mistagged, it would be endemic. This would also breed apathy to try and mend things which would exacerbate the problem further, breading more apathy, and so on.
ThunderBird said: But the general quality guidelines (say, dislike of pixellation or blurry upscaled images) are set by consensus to which we conform, either consciously or unconsciously.
I suppose it seems like image quality guidelines are dictated by consensus, since people generally prefer things that are good quality, but I assure you it's dictated by personal bias as well.
ShadowbladeEdge said: This is a pretty simplistic view of things. It wouldn't just be one or a few posts that are under or mistagged, it would be endemic. This would also breed apathy to try and mend things which would exacerbate the problem further, breading more apathy, and so on.
You've got a point. At the time of writing that, I had in mind that Danbooru has a somewhat dedicated userbase/mods/staff/whatever, who would take it on themselves to tag the posts. Then it occurred to me that I haven't even checked the volume of uploads per unit time, nor their distribution in time.
There are still ways to enforce at least the start of good tagging, such as auto-rejecting files that don't contain at least four tags (say, artist, character, copyright, and at least one object). Since the backend already parses file names into tags, this would be almost trivial to implement.
ThunderBird said: There are still ways to enforce at least the start of good tagging, such as auto-rejecting files that don't contain at least four tags (say, artist, character, copyright, and at least one object). Since the backend already parses file names into tags, this would be almost trivial to implement.
I undertand the neeed of tagging, and agree with no allowing uploads without a few tags, but the way you said it sounded like making artists and character mandatory tags. And sometimes, hte uploader might not know none of those. Did I misunderstand you?
Sigfried666 said: I undertand the neeed of tagging, and agree with no allowing uploads without a few tags, but the way you said it sounded like making artists and character mandatory tags. And sometimes, hte uploader might not know none of those. Did I misunderstand you?
We already have a mechanism for that, don't we: artist_request and character_request tags. But not knowing either one would be exceedingly rare, I think (in all of Danbooru, there are only 262 such pictures, the first one from more than seven years ago). So yes, I do believe those, or at least one of them, could be made mandatory, with assistance rendered in the forums if the uploader DOES happen to know neither.
ThunderBird said: We already have a mechanism for that, don't we: artist_request and character_request tags. But not knowing either one would be exceedingly rare, I think (in all of Danbooru, there are only 262 such pictures, the first one from more than seven years ago). So yes, I do believe those, or at least one of them, could be made mandatory, with assistance rendered in the forums if the uploader DOES happen to know neither.
I believe I do understand you. And I agree that knowing at least the character or the artist could be mandatory. If the uploader knows neither one, why would he upload the picture? My point (selfish as it is) is that sometimes, you find good pictures but is not internet savvy enough to find the artist's name.
Sigfried666 said: I believe I do understand you. And I agree that knowing at least the character or the artist could be mandatory. If the uploader knows neither one, why would he upload the picture? My point (selfish as it is) is that sometimes, you find good pictures but is not internet savvy enough to find the artist's name.
You could post it in the forum, and ask people to help you ID the character...