JakeBob said: I like how most of this pool's entries has a score of -1. Does someone not like the idea of Youkai Jesus?
I'm not an art critic or anything, but I keep having this nagging feeling that these downvotes happen any time an artist try do deliver anything but the most imediatist Entertainment.
Manga (the commercial thing you buy, or at very least download the scans) is a product, bound by marketing needs. Doujinshi is a free expression of the author's ideas, printed with the author's own money. It's fine if 99% of the doujinshi try to emulate the commercial manga cliches and tropes: I think mostly all the doujinshi authors started by watching and reading the commercial works and are bound by nostalgia to love that stuff. And hey, commercial manga is successful because its tropes and formulas work.
But if there's a 1% of authors trying to do experiment with other genres, I think they should be respected. Tragedy is right there, with Epic or Comedy, as a stablished genre. Downvoting a story because it's dark or cast a different light on characters you like is cheap.
Caveat: I'm not guro/darkfic fan per si. Cheap shots like yukkuri abuse disgust me because they're ... cheap. As in, cheap porn for people who fap to rape and suffering. But this doesn't mean I'll ignore a beautifully illustrated, well done story because it's dark and gorey and it was made with characters that should be all kawaii ^__^.
TL;DR: Danbooru judges art quality, guys. Don't downvote because the story makes you butthurt.
Black_Gold_Saw said: HATE and GENOCIDE is more like it.
That kinda the whole point of Byakuren's character. Behind her claims of peace and youkai-human co-existence, she actually hates humans and would be willing to carry out human genocide.
Shimadrill is hated not just for portraying all Touhou characters as lunatics and maniacs (absolutely none of his doujinshi is 'normal') but also because he's a plagiarist.
As for my opinion of him, I don't like him. Original reinterpretations are fine, even welcome (see how much I like pool #4264 and pool #3508) but if it goes to the point of distorting Touhou, I have problems with it. Personally I consider Shimadrill no better than cheap ero-doujinshi artists who distort Touhou characters into perverts.
MMaestro said: That kinda the whole point of Byakuren's character. Behind her claims of peace and youkai-human co-existence, she actually hates humans and would be willing to carry out human genocide.
Lick_King said: Shimadrill is hated not just for portraying all Touhou characters as lunatics and maniacs (absolutely none of his doujinshi is 'normal') but also because he's a plagiarist.
He was found to have plagiarized works from artists like Ooyari Ashito and Oogure Ito (also known as Oh!Great) and he officially apologized for it, but as apologies like that tend to be, it was more of self-justification so it got criticized even more. Afterwards he made a Monster Hunter Cirno as a parody of Monster Hunter but the artworks were again nearly copied from the artworks from Capcom website, so he was criticized again. It's not very well-known outside Japan.
Lick_King said: cheap ero-doujinshi artists who distort Touhou characters into perverts.
Are you kidding me? Those guys are far more despicable and have nothing interesting to bring to the table except fap material for the depraved.
I'm also tempted to ask the source of info about his alleged plagiarism. . .
And even if he did, some of his original Touhou stories are interesting to read, like Beautiful World, Best Picture, and this one. Hope he's learned his lesson and continued working on original Touhou works.
Then I'd call it a difference in tastes. None of Shimadrill's doujinshi really appealed to me. I know opinions towards Shimadrill is very divided, some liking him and some hating him.
Lick_King said: plagiarized works from artists like Ooyari Ashito and Oogure Ito (also known as Oh!Great)
...what? I have no idea about Ooyari Ashito, but I'm fond in Oh! Great, and even if I haven't read some of him mangas, so far I have found nothing in Shimadoriru which may even resemble a bit Oh! Great's works. I'd really like to clarify this, I think I've missed something; it was a surprise to read this D:
Lick_King said: absolutely none of his doujinshi is 'normal'
And this is the reason I love her works.
About the cheap ero-doujinshi ect. ect. part, I agree with EQUINOX. Even if I respect the difference in tastes (I aware that Shimadoriru's works are something you can basically only love or hate), seeing one of my favorite doujinshi artists putted at the same level of a cheap ero-doujinshi one, kinda hurted me. So far, all of her works under Stripe Pattern are unique to me, and I'm missing only 9's. And still, except for Monster Hunter's parody, I can't realize what she had plagiarized.
If someone can put more detailed infos about her being a plagiarist, I'd be happy to read them, since I can't find anything around =/
But still, I don't think I'll be able to stop love her and her works, even if I discover she's a plagiarist.
Jaefine said: seeing one of my favorite doujinshi artists putted at the same level of a cheap ero-doujinshi one, kinda hurted me.
I apologize. I understand it feels terrible to have a favorite artist or work valued down, let alone compared to cheap ero-doujinshi artists. I shouldn't have put it that way. Although my dislike towards him (or her, is it?) isn't exactly based on my tastes but on the values I have. And... let's just say Shimadrill's works are somewhat offending to my beliefs. Having different sets of beliefs is nothing to be angry over, so I have nothing against Shimadrills works or herself, but I can't say I enjoy her doujinshi any better than I do cheap ero-doujinshi either. Sorry again for upsetting you.
Philemon said: But, y'know, as long as people are aware of the facts, and not jump to conclusions about the canons based on some fanon materials they read.
Um ok?
Byakuren's profile also said: And so the gap between her wishes and the expectations gave birth to a terrible tragedy.
Actions > Words
Most non-human Touhou characters are pretty dark if you look past first impressions. I'm not sure why you think Byakuren is somehow different.
Quite frankly, the only Touhou characters I see as being remotely dark are Yuyuko, for being a suicide victim, and Miko, who might be ready to start a war. Most of them are actually more or less alright, if Perfect Memento in Strict Sense is anything to go by.
MMaestro said: Behind her claims of peace and youkai-human co-existence, she actually hates humans and would be willing to carry out human genocide.
Byakuren does favor youkai, that's for sure. For her own selfish desires, in fact. But that does not imply hatred for humans.
Think carefully. To Byakuren, who supported youkai for the sole reason that she wanted her magical power that granted her immortality to be preserved, what happens to humans doesn't matter at all. Even so, she didn't just help the youkai, she helped both youkai and humans, trying to bring harmony between them. Why exactly do you think she did so? She could have tried to enslave humans, make them livestock for youkai consumption. Yet she didn't, she considered youkai and humans to be equals who should coexist peacefully. Is this not enough to tell what kind of beliefs Byakuren has?
And even now, the Myouren Temple is right next to the human village and they're in very good terms, with the humans feeling very happy about its youkai priestess. Remember, humans sealed her and her youkai friends for a thousand years. She has enough reason to declare war on humans, but she's still being friendly towards them.
ShadowbladeEdge said: Statements like this are hilarious to me. Yes God forbid they distort the deep and intricate plot, or the complex and nuanced characters of Touhou.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If I understand it correctly, you seem to be assuming that I don't like anything that goes against Touhou canon. Which, if you read the previous half of that sentence, you should know isn't the case.
No. It's the title of one of the endings in Undefined Fantastic Object. I think it was a Sanae ending, where Kanako meets Byakuren and tries to learn more about her, suspicious as to why a human priest is revered by youkai. Upon discovering that there are absolutely no lies or fabrication in Byakuren's humble words of altruism, Kanako became wary of Byakuren. And the ending title is displayed, reading "You don't need to, because Byakuren is a good person."
edit) Altruism isn't the right word since she does have her own desires. Anyway, she's the good person that she seems to be.
General sniping: @Shimadrill's plagiarism: Ouch :/ I can only hope he(she?) grows up and stop plagiarism. I believe that if you need to copy, go all the way and make it into a style parody.
@Byakuren's personality and darkfic general: I wish UFO wasn't so hard (my endurance record there was reaching Shou, once). I like seeing the endings by myself, and so far I'm still trying to win MoF with anyone other than Marisa!Bugged. :/ (This, and seeing all the possible endings of IaMP, too)
Unless I see something in the endings that change the following view, my head-canon about Byakuren is that she's actually a bona fide, no-hipocrisy, Neutral Good saint. She overcome a lot of defects to live as a proper buddhist and will put her life at risk to save other people, be them humans or youkai. A character like this put inside Gensokyo, where the default alignment is Bored Egoist, can be hilarious.
With that being said, Gensokyo is a darker place than ZUN's child-like drawings and tea-time endings suggest. As people pointed before, there's a lot of black humor thrown casually in ZUN's text, just to make you aware that yes, the cast is mostly rendered as lolis in silly hats, but they also happen to be supernatural monsters.
Now, I like works that ignore the monster aspect to concentrate on the kawaii lolis (I LOL at ExtraIntrovert's comment here) and like works that ignore the kawaii angle to show monsters (this one). I think the works that I like it most are the ones who manage to mix both into something poignant, funny and awesome (gensoukoumuten, karaagetarou(?!))
Philemon said: It's not that I think Byakuren's a faultless holy being. She does have that very human side of her (sounding really exasperated about humanity in her pre-fight dialogues, but honestly, who wouldn't? After what she went through?). It's just that I certainly wouldn't think of her as a neo-Hitler either. Why are you so insistent in thinking of her like that?
Because thats the whole problem isn't it? Shes not a faultless holy being and by itself thats ok. The problem is she has no qualms about sacrificing humans if its to save a youkai. When you combine that with the basic fact that the youkai of Touhou do eat humans, human-youkai co-existence starts to sound like humans are kept around just as livestock.
The fact that Byakuren attacks the heroine(s) for "oppressing" the youkai of Gensokyo really doesn't help her human-youkai co-existence claims either. The fact that heroines are the only humans with the ability to fight the youkai (in danmaku, to say nothing of real combat) REALLY doesn't help Byakuren's case.
Lick_King said: I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If I understand it correctly, you seem to be assuming that I don't like anything that goes against Touhou canon. Which, if you read the previous half of that sentence, you should know isn't the case.
Hmm, reading back what I said I can see how it could be easily interpreted that way. However what I actually meant is that I find the very concept of a "Touhou canon" farcical. Therefor someone being displeased, to any degree, about said canon being misrepresented is doubly farcical to me.
ShadowbladeEdge said: Hmm, reading back what I said I can see how it could be easily interpreted that way. However what I actually meant is that I find the very concept of a "Touhou canon" farcical. Therefor someone being displeased, to any degree, about said canon being misrepresented is doubly farcical to me.
You'd be surprised. I hope to earn my Doctorate in Touhou Canon Law pretty soon (after my current MoF roadblock, I read you can see the endings of the remaining games by playing by finishing them on EEJI MODO).
Philemon said: Who said? All I'm seeing is everything saying she's a nice person who's fair in her judgment.
Murasa's profile says: ―― A few days later, the ship bearing the monk who'd come to defeat her approached. There were a few other humans besides the monk on that ship. She thought she'd use all her strength to threaten them. She thought she'd use all her strength to destroy the monk's Buddhist powers.
But, contrary to her expectations, the monk was completely defenseless. She got no response from her beyond that of a normal human. Before she knew it, the ship was sunk, and all of the people on it were flung into the sea.
Philemon said: As I've said before in another comment thread, this is a good point. We never did know whether all youkai can survive without eating humans or not. But, there are strong hints of the the former, considering Kogasa only needs to surprise humans and Remilia can survive without draining her victims to death.
Which, combined with ZUN's penchant for lighthearted stories (even with the Fridge Horrors), makes it really possible that youkai can survive without eating humans. So Byakuren's ideal is probably viable.
Still it does raise a question of what she'd do if she finds a youkai that definitely cannot survive without eating humans. In which case, you can go ahead with your own opinion that she'll mercilessly side with the youkai, or you can take into account various facts and personality traits of hers and think maybe, just maybe, she'd try to find a way with the least bloodshed whether it's in youkai side or human side.
And finally, what? Do you prefer for humans to dominate over youkai or the other way around? You sound so opposed to the idea of equality.
I haven't read the other comment thread so I can only address what you've brought up here.
Its true that some youkai can live without killing humans (as you say, Kogasa is a good example) but thats arguing over individual cases. Should we argue whether or not all vampires can co-exist with humans because Remilia can hold back from drinking enough blood to kill the human? That would be absurd.
Except you're ignoring the case of Remilia. We know that Remilia drinks human blood. Now, admittedly, she doesn't kill the human in the act of doing so but she also admits to being an exception to the rule. That said, we don't know whether Flandre has the same eating habits but we can assume does not and therefore Flandre drinks enough blood from her victim(poor choice of words?) to kill them. Youkai "eating"/(drinking?) humans.
That's purely hypothetical.
The in-game dialogue has always suggested that despite the heroine "winning" at the end of the game, youkai actually oppress humans. The dialogue of UFO simply drags it out into the open. (See: Marisa B dialogue)
Philemon said: Reimu A & B -> Reimu was going to seal her again, so she reacted in self defense.
A: Byakuren called Reimu an "oppressor" of youkai first. Reimu acted in self-defense, not Byakuren. (Unless you want to argue that Reimu shouldn't be going around solving incidents in the first place)
B: Reimu made her decision based on the words of UFO's cast who made claims that would have been very, veryy, veryyy bad for humans.
Shou said in Reimu B: Since she wanted to use Makai's power to help youkai, She was sealed away - for something as simple as that. Isn't that unreasonable?
Makai's power to help youkai? Really? Thats like saying "she wanted to open the gates of Hell to help Satan".
Philemon said: Marisa A -> Marisa believes humans are weaker than youkai and so need more protections, so she objects equality. This is where Byakuren is least justified in fighting Marisa, but it still does mean that Marisa isn't going to keep in mind that some youkai really aren't that bad.
Marisa B -> Marisa A + she's flat out robbing Byakuren. Pretty clear who's the douchier one here.
A: Other than the Oni, Yukari, the unnamed-bird-reading-youkai (who are major exceptions in their own right) and half-youkais, no other youkai has been really show to be "aren't that bad".
B: Marisa freed her from prison. I'm pretty damned sure that qualifiers her for a reward.
Philemon said: Sanae A & B -> Sanae isn't even considering Byakuren's viewpoint at all, because she's blindly following the doctrine of 'all youkai bad and must be exterminated'.
And thats different from Byakuren's viewpoint of "all youkai are oppressed and must be protected" how? Either way, Sanae is right its just a matter of what "exterminated" means in the Touhou universe.
Philemon said: As a side note, I'm not sure why you're using quotation marks for the oppressing part. The heroines DO get oppressive at times. Did you forget the sheer amount of times they beat youkai up for nothing but them being youkai and in their way? Kogasa?
Because the heroines have never actually exterminated a youkai (PC-98 games don't count) yet Byakuren treats them as if they're actually oppressing youkai.
Philemon said: And it does apply to Byakuren too. She was just resurrected then and there, and the heroines had no idea much of who she is. But they were still going to beat her up. Because she's a youkai.
Depends on the scenario. See above.
Philemon said: Because Byakuren was going to kill all humans the moment she was resurrected.
Oh wait no, she built a temple. And was all buddy buddy with her neighbors.
Her in-game dialogue suggested that. And that was after Sanae/Suwako(? I thought she was supposed to be the hidden one) mediated things. In other words, Byakuren is on probation. Will she turn a new leaf? Maybe, maybe I'm wrong about all this.
Philemon said: Also, just to add, no, the heroines aren't the only ones who can fight the youkai. Even if we disregard Mokou, Keine etc.'s existences (who all will gladly protect helpless humans against youkai), it's explicitly stated in Mokou's PMiSS bio that "There's a legend that a secret group of ninja-like youkai exterminators live in the Bamboo Forest of Lost."
Ultimately moot. The youkai have secret groups as well. I match your secret ninjas with the systematic Tengu and raise you the temperamental Kappa geniuses.
Philemon said: And the fact that Marisa can get to where she is now says that a lot of humans can also learn magics to fight youkai.
Marisa is also a chronic liar, uses an exceptional magical item to augment her "trademark" spell and breaks into a vampire's home just to steal books. I'm pretty sure Marisa is one-of-a-kind.
Philemon said: *showcases the holy mace*
Son, when that day comes, I shall be your judge. Pray that your body is ready.
Maces are for chumps, get a halberd. It stabs AND chops!
MMaestro said: When you combine that with the basic fact that the youkai of Touhou do eat humans, human-youkai co-existence starts to sound like humans are kept around just as livestock.
The basic concept of Gensokyo is that it survives on the coexistence of humans and youkai by humans exterminating youkai and youkai eating humans. If you have problems with that, I think you should take the matter to the Dragon God, not Byakuren. Quite in contrary, Byakuren believed that youkai shouldn't eat humans and humans shouldn't exterminate youkai.
My point is, all that about Byakuren's actions during UFO is quite irrelevant. (She was sealed away for thousand years. What does she know about the present state of Gensokyo? Things were very different back then. Hell, if I got the canon correctly, Gensokyo didn't even have the Great Barrier in place.) Her beliefs and ideals are much more telling of her character than her words or actions, are't they? And her belief is that youkai and humans should coexist in peace, no eating and no extermination.
ShadowbladeEdge said: ...I find the very concept of a "Touhou canon" farcical. Therefor someone being displeased, to any degree, about said canon being misrepresented is doubly farcical to me.
There seems to be a pretty big debate going on here that I have no interest in stepping into, I just took notice of this statement.
But seriously? I find that kind of attitude pretty annoying. It doesn't matter how extensive Touhou fanon is, the canon should not be dismissed. I enjoy the fan works as much as the next person, but the original works are perfectly capable of standing on their own.
Philemon said: Impressive how insistent you can get about things you think you can turn into 'Byakuren's evil'. Yet you completely ignore things that don't [or prove otherwise].
Common occurence when faith blinds reason.
A man of faith makes claims to justify his believing in something. A man of reason believes something (notice the lack of 'in') because evidence justifies it.
Philemon said: Impressive how insistent you can get about things you think you can turn into 'Byakuren's evil'. Yet you completely ignore things that don't.
Like what? Reimu "exterminating" youkai? By Byakuren's logic, we should have killed her for being a youkai mass murdering psychopath after EoSD. Never mind the fact that the mist was blocking the sun (and by extension killing the flora under it.)
Philemon said: I don't see your point with this. Byakuren was attacked when she went voyaging and the people that were with her were flung into the sea. Was that supposed to prove anything?
You seem confused. I truncated it because I didn't wanted to cut down on the wall of text just a little bit. Go read Murasa's full official profile.
Philemon said: You still didn't answer my question about your preference. Would you rather there to be no peace at all in Gensokyo?
Not my point. My point was Byakuren believes that youkai are "oppressed" by humans because humans hunt youkai. However, she seems to ignore the fact that youkai eat humans. If its ok for youkai to eat humans but its not ok for humans to hunt youkai, whats to stop youkai from eating humans into extinction?
Philemon said: We'd both only be hypothesizing whether we say all vampires can co-exist with humans or not. But I have one example of a vampire that can hold back her urges. You don't.
Uh ok? Rumia eats humans. Nitori has a shirikodama, obviously made from humans. Mystia is implied to eat humans as well. Three different human-eating youkai types trumps one non-human-eating youkai type.
Philemon said: Again you forgot some things. Flandre never left the mansion before EoSD, not even sure she does after that. She'd only eat what she's given, and I'm pretty sure that won't always be human because of short supply. So she can eat other things than human.
Oh of course, not a fact, but it's a simple logic really.
Flandre's official profile says: Perhaps she can't tell that her daily meals are made from living humans. Her meals look like such harmless foodstuffs as cake and tea, after all...
Philemon said: And? You're completely missing my point.
Which would be?
Philemon said: A: Is this really your argument? You're really ignoring everything but things that you can twist into 'Byakuren's evil' aren't you? Do I really even have to explain this?
Suppose I do. Byakuren calls Reimu the oppressor of youkai, uhuh. Was that before or after Reimu threatens to reseal her for no defined reason?
It was after.
Murasa said in Reimu A: There, we'll revive Hijiri, and everyone will be able to forget their troubles.
We'll make a paradise where no-one can brush us aside ... We'll make a liberating future where we can use our powers freely ...
That paradise is this ship's destination. That's the ideal Hijiri has sought.
Yeah! Down with danmaku rules! Lets let everyone use their world shattering powers freely! /sarcasm
Philemon said: B: Hahaha. You're not even trying anymore.
There's no such thing as 'claims that'd have been very bad for humans'.
Like using black magic to do, well, anything?
Marisa is evil to you?
And besides, comparing all youkai to Satan. That's nice and open-minded of you.
See Murasa's official profile.
Philemon said: A: Yamame, Satori, Kogasa, Meiling as long as you don't try to infiltrate SDM, Cirno if you aren't a frog, Reisen and a lot more. Frankly Suika is a lot more dangerous than the ones I listed.
Are we even talking about the same series here?
Yamame, Satori and Meiling, ok granted. Kogasa threatened to attack Sanae's shrine which doesn't speak highly of her attitude towards humans, Cirno is seen playing with/annoying Reimu in the mangas and Reisen is an exception since she is a moon rabbit. Suiki/onis is an entire different field.
Philemon said: B: Except she wasn't asking for a reward. She was robbing.
You're not reading the script at all are you?
I'm not going to quote huge chunks in-game dialogue. Read it on the wiki.
Philemon said: By being not Byakuren's viewpoint at all.
Racist point +1
If I had been keeping track earlier, it'd probably be more by now.
So its Byakuren's viewpoint or nothing? Wow, hurray for religious intolerance. I'm sure that will go over well when people start to realize that Byakuren's viewpoint excludes humans who are unwilling to not "oppress" youkai.
Philemon said: That doesn't answer my point at all. They're still randomly attacking youkai for the hell of it very often.
But let's forget about that and focus on your new point. Byakuren treats them as if they're actually oppressing youkai. Well, maybe Byakuren'd stop thinking so if they didn't make her think so with their attitudes?
Um, what attitudes? Considering the attitudes of the people who hang around them, the heroines' attitudes are "normal." By your logic, Byakuren should go around getting into fights with everyone outside of the UFO cast.
Philemon said: Well, you carry on with your suspicions. She may turn a new leaf in the future if ZUN decides to troll the fanbase more later, but at the moment, I'm just going to trust Word of ZUN.
Go ahead, but history isn't on your side. People used to argue that Marisa was solving the incidents because she was a playable character until Bohemian Archive proved them all wrong.
Philemon said: No. It still means humans can fight.
Moot. Unless the humans of Gensokyo somehow came up with a way to manipulate fate/kill a Hourai Elixir drinker/counter a nuclear fusion user, humans are ultimately crushed in the face of sheer "lolIwin" powers.
Philemon said: There's nothing unique about Marisa, always stated that her power came from hard work, not inherent talent. Not sure why nobody can do similar.
One words: Hakkero.
Philemon said: I wonder if you just don't like Byakuren. If so, I can understand. I can't understand how you could twist so much for your arguments though.
Oh I like her character, I think shes underdeveloped actually. She (should) remind the community that while the Moriya shrine's antics make good stories, it can have serious unintended consequences.
MMaestro said: Go ahead, but history isn't on your side. People used to argue that Marisa was solving the incidents because she was a playable character until Bohemian Archive proved them all wrong.
MMaestro, you brought a very good point. And ZUN isn't on your side.
As I said repeatedly, '''ZUN said''' Byakuren is a good person
You can argue whatever you want about Byakuren's nature, but that's final. Unless you want to go into deep discussions about what "good" means (though I would actually welcome it because it's my field, if it weren't for the fact that my exams are ongoing), I really can't see why there's an argument about it. By the way, as you should know, Gensokyo is ZUN's private utopia, and its very definition is that it survives with a balance and coexistence between humans and youkai. From that, you can have more or less the idea about what ZUN meant when he referred to Byakuren as good.
And throughout your argument, I'm seeing nothing more than extremist logic, that of black-or-white. And you seem to be so persistent in viewing youkai as evil and enemies of humans that I'm really wondering what kind of place you think Gensokyo is.
Philemon said: This part is so crazy it makes my brain hurts. So are 90% of your arguments. So much for having fun.
The only good point you raised seems to be Flandre. Okay, so ZUN wrote that part about her meal consists daily of humans (which I forgot admittedly), but he also wrote that humans actually aren't hunted that much anymore and how...
Will it even help if I say anything more on this? You already believe that Byakuren is a psychopath and you twist and ignore everything to make it appear that way to you. I'm talking to a wall.
I guess I'm ending this here. Sorry for stretching the comment section.
The thing being is that EoSD on the whole, was a lot darker, or at least in my opinion. Its not grimdark, but you could chalk it up to the spell-cards being relatively new and that gensokyo was on the way to becoming more light-hearted.
However, its should be noted, that EoSD, PCB, and Imperisable Night all had story arcs that were more or less resolved and weren't brought up again (at least as far as I know). Mountain of Faith onwards have had more interlocking storylines and indicate that a big conflict is coming up soon.
Before the conflicts were more primevil, i.e. I'm a big bad youkai and I'm gonna kill all of y'all, but now the conflicts are more religious and ideological with technology being thrown into the fray.
But one big problem I've had so far is that Reimu's deity is never really mentined, but I always thought it was Yukari for the reason that Hakurei's powers are related to border manipulation, more or less, and I thought it amusing that Yukari's final stage in IaMP was in the shrine. That and if the Hakurei family is fairly old and related to Gensokyo, and Yukari basically created Gensokyo, it makes sense that she would be viewed as such.
Of course it doesn't do much good if your God is lazy and narcoleptic.
Just because there is balance and coexistence doesn't mean there is peace. While the eating of humans doesn't occur left and right anymore, the threat of it occurring is implied to be a constant presence that hangs over the human populace. Having to live daily life with that fact hanging over your head can't be too much fun. Yes, Youkai do have to contend with the occasional human sealer, but it seems that youkai are usually the aggressors more often than not. And I'm sure that plenty of the human populace do view Youkai as enemies, just the fact that there is really no way to survive in this land without tolerating them is enough for them to stay their hand. Whatever the relationship, I pretty sure youkai and humans don't consider themselves friends.
boomersooner said: Just because there is balance and coexistence doesn't mean there is peace. While the eating of humans doesn't occur left and right anymore, the threat of it occurring is implied to be a constant presence that hangs over the human populace.
Far as I understand one of the big reasons for that is because the youkai go after people from the outside when they want their delicacies. It's mentioned in PCB's prologue that teams of youkai leave Gensokyo to kidnap humans and make it look like accidents or runaways.
There's something similar said in PMiSS about outsider humans who wind up in Gensokyo by accident.
AngryBeeWhiskey said: Far as I understand one of the big reasons for that is because the youkai go after people from the outside when they want their delicacies. It's mentioned in PCB's prologue that teams of youkai leave Gensokyo to kidnap humans and make it look like accidents or runaways.
There's something similar said in PMiSS about outsider humans who wind up in Gensokyo by accident.
That is another explanation. While Youkai know that the human population of Gensokyo is off limits to them, they know that outsiders that fall into Gensokyo and humans in the outside world are fair game. As long as the human victim doesn't come from the village, nobody will care whether the Youkai eat humans. Seems that the "as long as it's not me," attitude is quite pervasive is Gensokyo. Ironically, this attitude probably means there is some sick sort of peace between the Humans of the village and Youkai, one that turns a blind eye toward human abduction of strangers.
There needs to be a Youtube comment removal widget, but for Danbooru because Youkai Hijiri Christ you guys are terrible with anything the least bit distasteful or unsettling.
I'm not going to say "don't like, don't read" because that's stupid, but at least try to keep it in your pants.
HT_Rock said: There needs to be a Youtube comment removal widget, but for Danbooru because Youkai Hijiri Christ you guys are terrible with anything the least bit distasteful or unsettling.
I'm not going to say "don't like, don't read" because that's stupid, but at least try to keep it in your pants.
Meh, mindless ramblings, gets away from me sometimes, that's the problem with the countless ways you can view events w/ no backstories. Easy to make up extreme explanations and get emotional.