I've been busy for awhile and haven't contributed to Danboory much. Today coming back and looking through madoka_magica tag, I notice a significant quality drop compared to 2 months ago.
At first I only flag really unacceptable posts as I browse, but when the number reached a dozen I decided to make this thread instead. Am I being too strict?
There're many more of the type "properly would die in mod queue, but not to the point of flagging" (e.g. post #948577, post #948810, post #949722, etc). These came from the recent 18 pages of MadoMagi tag and I had to stop there, losing the urge to browse further or glance over touhou or browsing in general.
I like Danbooru because here I don't have to dig through piles of posts to find high quality art. Now it felt a bit like browsing Pixiv directly, not quite as bad, but definitely different from not long ago. I don't want to name some Contributor and Test Janitor I found questionable, but were they carefully picked? Because really, it felt meaningless to me to spend hours monitoring the mod queue, picking out good images, just to have hundreds of average stuffs drown them out.
all the posts you flagged I really don't disagree with. I have been wondering just how the promotions worked. looking at recently promoted members, it did feel like a lot of us were promoted cause we had over a certain number of posts without any real quality checking....granted for the longest time i thought to be contributor, you had to be within the 4-5k posts approved range or something.
Since I submitted one (edit:make that two) of the pics you flagged, approved another one, and am possibly one of the people you're talking about, to boot, I should probably speak up. If you feel art doesn't meet Danbooru's standards, then by all means, flag it. (Rich coming from me to you, I know.) I won't say you're being too strict, but you're definitely being subjective in what you flag. Take post #949722 for example; you may think that it isn't bad enough to flag, but I do.
You might want to have a look at forum #63133 first, albert's replies in particular.
Some of the latest promotions are clearly out of the usual requirements, but I'm not really the oldest person around to know if it's typical albert doing or not, because the little I know makes me think it could be entirely intentional.
rantuyetmai said: At first I only flag really unacceptable posts as I browse, but when the number reached a dozen I decided to make this thread instead. Am I being too strict?
Tbh right after Krugger went contrib I wanted to dmail him to make sure he would change his posting habits, and it looks like it was necessary after all. :|
Zekana said: for the longest time i thought to be contributor, you had to be within the 4-5k posts approved range or something.
That's mostly because a higher postcount makes you easier to spot, while you coud actually have been promoted a lot sooner.
I'm not sure why you felt the need to post a callout thread for specific users and then pretend you're actually being benevolent because you didn't outright name them.
The Madoka tag's general quality standards have always been fairly low. This isn't really a recent phenomenon, nor is it the fault of any recently promoted users who uploaded or approved a very low volume of these bad posts.
Hinacle said: The Madoka tag's general quality standards have always been fairly low.
Low yes. THIS low no.
Hinacle said: This isn't really a recent phenomenon, nor is it the fault of any recently promoted users who uploaded or approved a very low volume of these bad posts.
Recently promoted users who happen to combine some of the highest posting outputs of the site with a high deletion ratio.
If Madoka tagged images are being given less scrutiny than others that's a problem in itself, in addition to whether or not newly promoted users are getting low quality stuff past the mod queue.
I agree with rantuyetmai that this is a problem, though conversely Albert has to balance this issue with the fact that many moderated users have been feeling that quality stuff of theirs is getting auto-deleted unfairly without apparent moderation in the queue.
Shinjidude said: I agree with rantuyetmai that this is a problem, though conversely Albert has to balance this issue with the fact that many moderated users have been feeling that quality stuff of theirs is getting auto-deleted unfairly without apparent moderation in the queue.
Not to mention the appeal system is rather hard to work with. Sometimes, I find the former method in appealing on the forum to be more practical, if anything.
That said, I'll be honest, but I think the newly promoted Contributors really need to restrain themselves more and stop being too trigger-happy in their new role. There is actually an increase in Contributor/AllMember upload ratio compared to a few weeks before, and I've noticed even doujin scanlations uploaded in the same manner. Sure, I know doujin has always been on the grey line of the rules here, but are we sure we want to turn this place into something similar to Viole?
It's all right to upload what you like, but really, put more thought on them.
It's definitely a problem. All but one or two of the posts rantuyetmai listed are horrible. Looking through the recent approvals though, I don't think the problem is Janitors approving mediocre art so much as Contributors posting it. I think deletion ratio has got to be a bigger factor for potential invitees than it apparently is now.
I'm with Cyberia in that I cringed when I saw that Krugger became a Contrib. Nothing personal against him, but he's got a deletion ratio of almost 20%. To be fair, that's couting all posts since he signed up, and everyone starts out a little shaky. But even if you restrict to the last, say, three months, it's still over 14%. That's way too high to let him bypass the mod queue, especially with a posting output as high as his.
I cannot deny that I went and abused the contributor promotion almost immediately. I sorry for that I had a serious laps in judgment when I got it. I have calmed down and intend to ensure better quality uploads from now on. If it is necessary to remove my Contributor status I have no argument against it I brought it upon myself, but if I can keep it I can promise to be more observant of my uploads and ensure quality.
The problem with many of those posts is that they're Perverted Homura posts, which means they're comedic art, which means generally yes the art will be slightly bad.
As for Krugger his uploads have arguably gotten better since he became a contributer, but maybe that's just me.
Cyberia-Mix said: You might want to have a look at forum #63133 first, albert's replies in particular.
Thanks for pointing that forum out for me. What I want to comment about his reply everyone had pretty much stated over there.
Hinacle said: I'm not sure why you felt the need to post a callout thread for specific users and then pretend you're actually being benevolent because you didn't outright name them.
The newly promoted need time to adjust so I don't want to call out names. What I want to know is why there seem to be a tolerance toward bad posts? New Contributor and Test Janitor need good feedback in order to do better, I didn't see much flagging or a neutral record to remind them recently.
That said, despite that many flags from yesterday which I know Krugger is aware of, he still posted something /like this today. Seeing how his average upload quality never change for 2 years, I'll have to ask for an uninvite.
To the rest who I didn't want to bring up:
F.I.A said: ...really need to restrain themselves more and stop being too trigger-happy...
It's all right to upload what you like, but really, put more thought on them.
There're lots of thing I save off Pixiv but never upload here.
ChairThrowingLady said: The problem with many of those posts is that they're Perverted Homura posts, which means they're comedic art, which means generally yes the art will be slightly bad.
As for Krugger his uploads have arguably gotten better since he became a contributer, but maybe that's just me.
Comedic art has lower standard, but there's a limit to it. I don't know how Krugger is before but his uploads in this past month are definitely not what I came to Danbooru for, in general.
I do not think there is ever a situation where it's appropriate for someone with nearly 1000 deleted posts to be upgraded to contributor. Not unless their accept count is about ten times what Krugger's was. If they're really helpful in some other way, that's what builder is for. But since albert did it, he should probably make the call on demotion.
I'll be honest, I don't follow who gets upgraded or not much anymore, nor look for people to upgrade myself, because what time I can make for mod stuff here goes into these weekly runs through forum requests, with bits here and there for personal browsing and addressing dmail requests/questions. So I'm not going to second guess promotion decisions too much, usually. But, 993 is way too much, I feel.
ShadowbladeEdge said: It's been my impression that it's more about the ratio of deleted to not above maybe a few hundred posts. I could be wrong though.
When I did promotions more actively, yes this was my criteria. Percentage accepted is a much better indicator of quality than number accepted.
I just sent albert a dmail and will let him decide.
On the matter of choosing contributor and janitor, I wonder why we don't make thread dedicated to nomination?
Every 4-6 months or so, the existing mod/janitor/contributor can nominate maximum 3 people they think are suitable for each position. After 2 weeks the most agreed upon name is already apparent, albert just need to walk in and get that information, then promote how many people he like. Such thing isn't hard to do, plus:
It makes the process apparent to the staff, so anyone can voice out their disapproval of certain users and we avoid great mistake.
It relies on people who has close observation on the gallery.
It makes the selection a shared responsibility.
Not everyone is going to voice their nominee, but I'm sure if a questionable choice pop up it'll be crossed out right away.
This is good. I've been trying to aggressively promote users because I want to reward good uploaders and I want to shorten the mod queue and I want to address complaints about the lack of diversity. I try to be diligent about scanning a user's deletions and making sure there's nothing egregious before promoting, but sometimes things just don't work out. I want to give everyone the tools to find and track problematic contributors/janitors. If there are any other users you take issue with, you can send me a message and I'll look into it.
A word of warning: This will result in flaming and trolling. I just hope that the senior members can stay civil and that the mods will have enough energy to deal with that.
A question: If I find a post that I think is "of rather poor quality", should I flag it? (Assuming it is not taged with oeaki or sketch etc.)
ion288 said: A question: If I find a post that I think is "of rather poor quality", should I flag it? (Assuming it is not taged with oeaki or sketch etc.)
