I was looking at these tags, and for the most part they seem to represent the same thing visually. Sunlight seems to be used a bit more ambiguously, though the vast majority are tagging a depiction of a beam of light as with the others. In the cases where sunlight depicts something other than what sunbeam usually represent, it's hard to define exactly what it is in my mind, and a few of the ones I see are really something else (lens_flare, shade, etc.) Any thoughts on these tags?
If I were tagging these I would think in order to tag a post with sunlight I would have to see the sun providing the light, where as in sunshine the suns light would reflect off the surfaces of objects.
Sunbeam to me would mean a single or perhaps multiple rays of light created by the sun but divided by an object whether it is an array of clouds or through a window.
I think 'sunbeam' is pretty distinct, and I wouldn't want to see it rolled in to any of the others. For example, post #336275, or post #438675. (Now, an implication between them in some fashion might work -- I would say sunbeam implies sunlight, but maybe that's just me.)
OTOH, the actual usage of sunbeam seems to be all over the place, including lots of lensflares and so on like EB said...
Xabid said: I think 'sunbeam' is pretty distinct, and I wouldn't want to see it rolled in to any of the others. For example, post #336275, or post #438675.
I can definitely see distinguishing that sort of image with its own tag, and implicating to light, maybe. If we can get a good definition for light. Sunlight and sunshine definitely sound like they should be merged.
Light is a terribly non-descriptive sort of tag to have as the only indication of lighting; every pic has to have some sort of lighting or we're looking at a black square. If there's a desire for light as an ubertag, moonlight, backlighting and such ought to be included as well.
I see sunlight as a catchall for a variety of commonly used lighting effects, as when it's used as a dominant subject, an interesting aspect of the environment, or makes subtle or stark appearances in otherwise dark environments. Like most tags, there's some that don't belong but like most tags, it's not immediately clear which ones. Moonlight follows the same guidlines.
It would occasionally be appropriate to implicate sunlight or light from sunbeam, but most of the time it's inclusion is a gratuitous indication of where the light source is and for all that may not even have a bearing on how the artist shades his subject. Implications like this are best handled on a case by case basis. Far from being all over the place, the tag is a pretty straight forward and unpolluted, if underused, collection of pics that have individually drawn rays of sunlight.
Lokispawn said: I see sunlight as a catchall for a variety of commonly used lighting effects
That's sort of how light is used right now. After all, not all light sources come from the sun. Your first example in particular, post #484470, could be any light source. It's also the counter tag to dark. They refer to the overall composition, not the mere presence of light (which as you point out would be just about every image).
True, I only assumed the sun in post #484470 because of the faint window pane outline. I suppose there could be a mack truck (or whatever is the most numerous truck in Japan) barreling down on her bedroom flashing it's high beams.
Your point further underscores the conflation problem from which light suffers. I hadn't considered the aspect that should be the tag's only purpose. Not only is it serving as a repository for interesting lighting effects, natural or otherwise, but also for pics with generally bright overall composition (of which there are actually comparatively few). The above post is a fine example of both concepts of general brightness and of a distinctive lighting effect.
So I suppose my suggestion would be to put all posts dealing with lighting effects into their own tags and leave light to serve as the compositional opposite to dark. Lights already exists for that which is not sunlight or moonlight (artificial light would be more distinctive, but is unwieldy). An umbrella lighting tag could tie all the others together if need be.
may i propose that we use a single tag alias for the three terms: sunlight, sunbeam, and sunshine?
i checked the posts and the dictionary, and i see no significant differences from the three. sunlight appears to be used more frequently but only has a narrow margin over sunbeam.
ah, ok thanks for pointing that out. i assumed the meaning of sunbeam as simply ray of sunlight (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sunbeam) since the danbooru wiki has yet an entry for it.
in any case then, i ask the permission to add the sunbeam wiki entry for the convenience of tagging purposes. some taggers use the wiki for guidance. thanks.
edit: and that leaves sunshine -> sunlight i guess? or do we have a specific definition for sunshine?
ghostrigger said: in any case then, i ask the permission to add the sunbeam wiki entry for the convenience of tagging purposes. some taggers use the wiki for guidance. thanks.
Definitely, adding wiki definitions where they're lacking is appreciated, provided you discuss anything that seems unclear.
edit: and that leaves sunshine -> sunlight i guess? or do we have a specific definition for sunshine?
I can't see a reason to keep them different, so yes I'll alias to sunlight.
ok, thanks. wiki entries have been updated. hope it will clarify some issues concerning new posts. but i admit plenty of previous posts may need some checking too.
in relation to this, i propose a tag implication: sunbeam -> sunlight
reason: it seems the only source of light from sunbeam is from sunlight.
thanks, i modified the phrasing of the statements. and now i placed the "for tagging purposes" at the end to inform the taggers in certain cases.
the sunburst i checked in the dictionary and the wikipedia may be the actual sun displaying bursts of sunlight or a plain symbol having "bursts of sunlight" like those in medals, military decorations, emblems, and flags (japanese imperial navy & taiwan). though we have only 3 entries for this so far. (though it's just 2 now as i'm typing. i'll find the missing one again). so based on the definition, we have one for the actual sun, and another for plain symbol.
the sun_(symbol) tagged posts, i observed are mainly prints or caricature of the sun. they are always have a central uniform disk and a definite and identical number/length of rays (bursts of sunlight). i see that they might fall to the sunburst definition of designs/figures of burst of sunlight.
the implication i see can't be the other way around because a sunburst can be the real sun not just a symbol.
regarding the separation of terms, i see that they are quite few yet and maybe it's better to maintain them separately. unless of course, if we agree on another definition to catch both of them. but i'm willing to populate them later on since we only set the definition just recently.
ghostrigger's last post seems to clearly define most those possible uses.
jxh,if you implicate sunbeam->sunlight,is there a way to tell images,such as post #438675 apart from ones like post #484470?
I would think sunburst,but the wiki definition states
...but may not necessarily be the actual sun (heavenly body).
A possible workaround could be doing a search for both sunbeam and sunlight,although this might make finding something specific very unlikely,to those with a 2-tag limit,since they'd already be in use.
Suggestions: 1.Leaving them both separate,in lieu of the definitions proposed.Hopefully,those using the tag would read the wiki to be aware of the differences(especially sunbeam and sunlight).
yes, the terms: sunlight, sunbeam, and sunburst all remained separately. an implication of sunbeam -> sunlight just means that when one user tagged a post sunbeam, it's implied that it's tagged automatically sunlight too.
but when you tagged something sunlight it will not tag that post with sunbeam automatically.
regarding the sunburst definition, i hope it's clear. there are post examples too for easy reference, though very few at the moment. i'll populate it later. if the definition is unclear, i want to hear your opinion. maybe i'm missing something.
post #484470 was tagged sunlight. it's assumed to be sunlight since the light is coming presumably high above the sky outside the window. i don't think sunburst could apply here though.
EDIT:
...but may not necessarily be the actual sun (heavenly body).
i placed this to mean that it's not necessary if the sunburst is from the natural sun (heavenly body) or not (japanese imperial navy & taiwan flag or those in medals). if this is the unclear part, i need your suggestions please. thanks.
regarding populating the sunburst entries, i'm still waiting for a response because someone removed my tag. so i consider a grace period before taking any action and i want to finalize the definitions first.
ghostrigger said: i placed this to mean that it's not necessary if the sunburst is from the natural sun (heavenly body) or not (japanese imperial navy & taiwan flag or those in medals).
