What is Mami's weapon?

By strict "tag what you see", almost no rifles should be tagged rifle since the rifling isn't visible (the action, or firing mechanism is actually entirely independent of rifling). Likewise it would be meaningless to tag a firearm as a flintlock (or any other action firearm) unless the action was fully visible. A cowboy obscuring the drum of his revolver would prevent the handgun from being tagged as one. This doesn't actually make much sense in practice.

Because we know what this specific gun is intended to be (as we do in those other cases), even where features are not visible, it makes more sense to me to tag consistently.

would it be helpful if we change mami's wiki regarding her weapon as: "Canonically, she uses a flintlock rifle" instead of the current entry?

then add a new statement, in boldface: "For Danbooru tagging purposes, users may use musket as well but with discretion. And if the firing mechanism is not shown or not clearly demonstrated at all, then avoid using flintlock as much as possible. Since some artists exercise 'creative license,' the canon material is not always strictly followed. Hence, use tags which seem appropriate."

probably, i'll select posts for each possible scenario, so we can cover all possible "legitimate" combinations. a visual example might be useful to future taggers.

finally, a link to this particular thread "what is mami's weapon?" will be added to the "See also" link.

would this be all right?

edit: i've seen matchlock as well. maybe a firelock be a good catch-all or we use it instead of flintlock and matchlock totally?

I guess that makes sense, especially since in this case this is a fictional weapon. If the artist either deliberately or unintentionally breaks canon, appearance should take priority. Otherwise I stand by the opinion that with all other things are equal, canon should take precedence when tagging.

i'm looking at this photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Musket.jpg

this is from wikipedia's flintlock entry. it sure looks like mami's weapon as far as i can remember. but puella-magi.net mentions "Percussion-lock" which contradicts to the flintlock mentioned above: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica#Rifles

however, i see nobody tagged percussion lock before here, so i guess it's a none issue.

i hope my earlier suggestion above will work regarding mami's danbooru wiki entry and the suggested tagging practice to observe. i'll wait for this to sink in first before taking any massive actions. thanks.

The firing mechanism for Mami's gun widely varies from artist to artist and perhaps even image to image by the same artist.

Unknown standard: post #908684

Flintlock or similar: post #843745, post #838113, post #840618, post #892335

Caplock (aka percussion lock): post #887557, post #905477, post #902461

Firing hammer only: post #836289, post #837669

Some images have no external firing mechanism as well.

Given that her standard version only has that gem hammer and gem topped pan, it probably is likely either a magical caplock or perhaps something closer to a magical matchlock. In the anime scenes of her firing there is a flash from the pan as the hammer hits, which looking at youtube videos and the description of the mechanism on wikipedia does not seem to match caplock firearms. Additionally the standard mechanism lacks a frizzen, so it probably isn't a flintlock or related mechanism.

uhm, so i guess, the wiki entry of "She uses a rifle as a weapon" stays the same.

but i'll take note of the firing mechanism details above. maybe that's worth mentioning so users will not flood/abuse a particular tag.

so a particular 'magical girl mami with a long gun as a weapon' post can "legitimately" fall to any odd combination of musket, flintlock, matchlock, caplock?

but i'll add a note that if a user is not familiar with the use or definition of a tag, don't use that tag at all. if unsure, a plain rifle would suffice, at least for danbooru purposes. if unclear, i'll invite them to read this thread.

are the changes better?

Well that was why I was proposing the firelock tag, as a catchall tag for the variety of lock mechanisms. At minimum it can be said that she uses a firelock rifle.

yes, i support you there. can we add that to the wiki entry? if we are going to enforce it, the wiki must be updated (mami's and firelock), since i feel many people are more familiar with flintlock. so far no entries yet with firelock, it's a new term. we need to fill this at least too.

are we all fine with the definition of firelock?

sorry for bumping, but i think i need to post this separately and avoid filling up my previous response.

since firelock is a new term, i did search for a proper definition. however, firelock, though i feel quite new to hearing it, seems to be synonymous to flintlock.

dictionary.com said:
a gun having a lock in which the priming is ignited by sparks struck from flint and steel, as the flintlock musket.

thefreedictionary.com said:
fire·lock (frlk)
n.
See flintlock.

merriam-webster said:
2
a : flintlock
b : wheel lock

wikipedia (firearm) said:
The term firelock was originally applied, as the name suggests, to the matchlock, but was later successively applied to the wheellock and then the flintlock as each was invented.

wikipedia again said:
Various forms of flintlock small arms had been used in warfare since the middle of the 16th century. At the time of the English civil war (1642–1652) the term firelock was usually employed to distinguish these weapons from the more common matchlock musket.

for flintlock:

thefreedictionary.com said:
1. An obsolete gunlock in which a flint fixed in the hammer produces a spark that ignites the charge.
2. A firearm having this type of gunlock. Also called firelock.

i'm not an expert on firearms and explosives especially its history so i based mainly on available online resources.

and based on the facts collected, it seems to me, flintlock is apparently synonymous to firelock. and add the familiarity in blogosphere that mami's weapon is commonly called either a flintlock, a musket, or a rifle - regardless of the level of technical accuracy.

so i guess, introducing a new term, which is seemingly synonymous to or closely related to flintlock might not be too helpful at all. even if they are synonymous, considering it's not too popular and no single instance in danbooru used it before, might pose a confusion.

just maybe, there is a difference, and so i ask for an expert's advice to shed some light regarding this matter.

but for laypersons like me and as an avid fan of the series, i think, calling it a firelock rifle is quite uncommon. never encountered it before. and if we really introduce this new term, would this not alienate our users and taggers so much?

EDIT:

personally, i want to tag the weapon as flintlock rifled musket. that's the most descriptive way to tag it as i see it as an ordinary person. but i'm having doubts to implement this fully because of the definitions we are currently using and add the fact the musket had undergone a recent cleaning up. i don't want to waste somebody else's effort. so a sort of workaround is to change the wiki and tag appropriately based on a given circumstance.

the only problem left is what particular guideline or 'default' option are we going to set to aid future taggers. mami's fanart seems to be not slowing down at the moment.

I'd prefer to call it a flintlock myself though there is a difference:

• A flintlock uses flint that hammers down against a steel frizzen to produce a spark to ignite the gunpowder (like a flint & steel firestarter).
• A wheellock rubs iron pyrites (essentially serving as a flint) against a rotating steel wheel to produce a spark to ignite the gunpowder(much like a plumber's striker).
• The matchlock is the oldest of the three and consists of a "match" or short burning fuse that needs physically lowered into the gunpowder (like an imperial era cannon).

All three of these could be termed firelocks as they require external fire (or sparks) to be brought to the powder. The term isn't that commonly used though.

The other possibility for Mami's gun is that it is a caplock which instead of using external flame or sparks, used percussion caps which are tiny self contained cans of impact explosive (very similar to the primers in modern cartridges) to ignite the gunpowder when hit by a gun's hammer. A caplock action wouldn't properly be called a firelock at all.

I stand by flintlock rifle as that seems to typically be visually what you see in canon materials. Of course modify it as necessary depending on what the artist actually decides to depict.

Just going with the Merriam-Webster dictionary there are some points you left out that are important, as well as some points that you seemed to have missed in the definition you quoted.

merriam-webster said:
2
a : flintlock
b : wheel lock

If a firelock can be either a flintlock or a wheel lock, then it isn't truly synonymous with flintlock. A wheel lock is another style of firing mechanism that is not a flintlock. If you say that firelock = flintlock, then you're saying that flintlock = wheellock, which it is not.

You missed this point in the definition "First known use of Firelock: 1547." Wikipedia states, as well as other sources, that Flintlocks were developed in the 1600's. So the word predates the existence of flintlock weapons. As you quoted from wikipedia:

The term firelock was originally applied, as the name suggests, to the matchlock, but was later successively applied to the wheellock and then the flintlock as each was invented.

What this means is that the word is a catchall word for any older style firing mechanism, with what is being referred to being decided by the times and what weapon was available at the time. As such the word firelock is as much synonymous to flintlock, as gun would be. If you asked for a gun when they only had matchlocks, you'd be given a matchlock. You ask for a gun today, you'd likely be receiving something rather different from a matchlock but it would still fall under that one word.

Another important point for the use of firelock is that we're bound to have weapons that have the similar hammer or serpentine (which has a somewhat hammer-ish shape) firing mechanisms. The tag would not simply be just to label Mami's weapon, but also provide a catchall for the variety of similar in appearance, but different types of firing mechanisms. For example a wheellock firing mechanism also uses the hammer, but instead of the hammer striking a steel plate to produce sparks it strikes a spinning steel wheel.

Going to defining what Mami uses, as I've pointed out earlier her standard mechanism shown in the anime has a gem capped pan and a gem tipped hammer/cock. There is little there that would indicate it is a flintlock mechanism (there isn't a component where the hammer strikes to generate sparks). Two types of mechanisms that would have such simplicity would be either a caplock (percussion cap ignitor) or a matchlock. Caplock mechanisms were apparently designed to not have a initial pan flash when firing, to better hunt birds that would get startled and fly away before the gun shot. Mami's weapon produces a pan flash, thus it is likely not a caplock. That would leave matchlock, but the weapon lacks a match cord. In short her weapon is a "E) none of the above type of weapon." Which is why I think "firelock" best fits it.

As far as a definition of firelock, I think I'll swipe what the "Firelock Hunting Society" (a group I came across while googling firelock myself) listed as part of what they consider acceptable weapons for their group a "(...) firearm which uses an external ignition system (i.e. flint lock, cap lock, wheel lock, match lock)(...)." In short, firelock as a tag would be defined as "any older style gun that relies on an external firing mechanism for ignition." Pretty much any gun that fires ammunition that doesn't have its own ignition mechanism built in (not including weapons like railguns).

This popped up on /u/, and may come in handy, the production sketches for Mami's "Magical Musket"

http://fencedude.com/Madoka/MamiGunsProdSketch.jpg

That's a nice find that you've brought up.

NOTE: all right, danbooru finally complains my text is very long. sorry for flooding.
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Shinjidude said:
All three of these could be termed firelocks as they require external fire (or sparks) to be brought to the powder. The term isn't that commonly used though.

i agree. for "technical correctness" sake, i think it's valid enough to introduce firelock. however the rarity of word usage makes me a little hesistant. would this be destined to be underused i fear.

Shinjidude said:
Of course modify it as necessary depending on what the artist actually decides to depict.

whatever the result of this discussion for the 'default' option, i'll make sure to include this remark of yours. it's worth pointing out.

NWF Renim said:
If a firelock can be either a flintlock or a wheel lock, then it isn't truly synonymous with flintlock.

i must say again that i'm no expert. my conclusion only primarily stemmed from the multitude of evidence, not only from merriam-webster, that seemingly and apparently flintlock is synonymous to firelock. or if not synonymous at all, it's at least, very closely attached to. that's why i listed other reputable resources. so we can see at least a consensus of the word pundits. taking only m-w's literal definition would render the other sources wrong. and besides, m-w's definition doesn't make synonyms flintlock and firelock wrong. it just adds another pair of synonyms wheel lock and firelock.

regarding merriam-webster and wheel lock:

merriam-webster said:
a gun's lock for a muzzle-loading firearm in which sparks are struck from a flint or a piece of pyrite by a revolving wheel

regarding merriam-webster and flintlock:

merriam-webster said:
a lock for a gun or pistol having a flint in the hammer for striking a spark to ignite the charge

as you see, merriam-webster's definitions don't clearly differentiate flintlock and wheellock. it even uses flint in the wheellock definition. as an ordinary person, by using the flint in the wheellock, makes me think that wheellock is flintlock too. that is if we are going to solely base in m-w's definitions.

NWF Renim said:
What this means is that the word is a catchall word for any older style firing mechanism

i really want to see this and as much as i believe. but there is no mention of any older style firing mechanism. it just states that firelock's definition evolves. and from wikipedia too, as i noted above:

wikipedia said:
Various forms of flintlock small arms had been used in warfare since the middle of the 16th century. At the time of the English civil war (1642–1652) the term firelock was usually employed to distinguish these weapons from the more common matchlock musket.

as you see here, a wikipedia's entry employs firelock to refer to flintlock small arms to distinguish it from common matchlock musket. doesn't matchlock belong to ancient firing mechanisms?

so as i see it, though you have a point that firelock can refer to any old firing mechanism, there are still plenty of resources that firelock is much closely related/used with flintlock.

and also we must consider the language of the masses - the common folks and users who browse and search this site. is there any documented query that if they want to search for mami's weapon artworks, one used "firelock" at all? or are we even expecting that in the near future one will even use such a term en masse?

and speaking of old style weapons outside of mami, is there any reported instance that if they want to search for such firearms or mechanisms, did they use firelock at all? i would guess, because of its peculiarity, maybe they use flintlock or musket instead.

this is not really an issue of being technical accurate. it's how are we going to tag mami's weapon successfully and easily available to the users, regardless of pinpoint accuracy. if we do introduce firelock, will it not just gather dust and remain isolated and underused for years to come?

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NWF Renim said:
a group I came across while googling firelock myself) listed as part of what they consider acceptable weapons for their group

that particular group, i believe, is also a specialized group similar to us at danbooru. their definition of firelock is parochial and might be limited to their circle. even if they do claim that firelock can refer to any old weapons ignition, that does not mean every person outside of that group uses their definition, more so the common folks. like us at danbooru, we differentiate arm holding from holding arm. to outsiders it's pretty much the same. but to us, it's different.

Fencedude said:
http://fencedude.com/Madoka/MamiGunsProdSketch.jpg

thanks for the link. i'm wondering what does the title in the image say? i just recognized mami's name. i have a feeling it's "mami no ** majika musuketo **"? please correct me if i'm wrong. i can't read kanji, and my reading is probably messed up, i'm just pushing myself. and if it does say musket, this highly supports using musket in describing mami's weapon, regardless of technical details. because japanese use this term for her weapon, probably pixiv too. and fans generally adapt what is the official term. and if fans are going to search danbooru, probably they are going to use this term too. of course unless, we have a policy that supercedes anything official. please enlighten us.

and with the image, the barrel is without doubt rifled. canon material. uncontestable. but artists don't follow this always. so as Shinjidude noted, tag as appropriate holds true too.

regarding the wikipedia source, Lock (firearm), 1st footnote about firelock:

Pennyslvania archaeologist said:
..."firelock gun" was standard after 1547, and was long used to refer to many different kinds of weapons...
A matchlock gun has to be lighted, but a firelock gun makes its own fire.
A final standard form of flintlock mechanism...

for flintlock, same source:

Pennyslvania archaeologist said:
We all know and use the term "flintlock gun;" this term itself carries with it many assumptions about weapons of the past.

as you see here, based on wikipedia own reference (1st footnote), there is no mention of catchall for firelock. instead it differentiates firelock to matchlock. but that is just a snippet, i'm unable to read the whole article if i'm missing something.

and to the very same source, it mentions flintlock gun to refer to weapons of the past. this highlights flintlock more as a general term than firelock, i would say.

regarding the wikipedia source, for Lock (firearm), 2nd footnote:

Penny Cyclopedia said:
The firelock was evidently suggested by the snaphaunce...The term firelock was no longer applied to the fire-arm with the wheel, which was now termed 'the rose or wheel lock.'

the second source further validates the difference between firelock and wheellock, in terms of use during those times.

regarding the strange new term snaphaunce, same source:

In this dilemma they formed the snaphaunce from a study of the wheel-lock. A flat piece of steel, furrowed in imitation of the wheel, was placed on a steel post, which, being screwed beyond the pan, was made moveable. Then the furrowed piece being brought to stand over it, on pulling the trigger, the flint, which they substituted for the pyrites in the cock, struck against it, and the spark was produced. This was an invention of the time of Elizabeth, and its comparative cheapness rendered it fashionable in France, Holland, and England. The snaphaunce was a near approach to the fire-lock.

as i could understand the firelock weapon here is snaphaunce which uses flint. the firelock is still different from matchlock and wheellock based on this very source.

and as if this is not confusing enough, for snaphaunce/snaphance:

dictionary.com said:
an early flintlock mechanism for igniting a charge of gunpowder in a gun.

wikipedia said:
Like the earlier snaplock and later flintlock, the snaphance drives a flint onto a steel to create a shower of sparks to ignite the main charge (propellant).

and thus, we could say, firelock is indeed closely related to flint/flintlock if not downright synonymous. even the sources of wikipedia entries say so.

and now, we are left again in the dilemma, if it's worth pushing a new term for tagging purposes when they are apparently the same and the new term is not commonly used? i must repeat this is not about technicality and accuracy, but for ease and convenience of both users and taggers alike.

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ghostrigger said:
thanks for the link. i'm wondering what does the title in the image say? i just recognized mami's name. i have a feeling it's "mami no ** majika musuketo **"? please correct me if i'm wrong.

Close enough. "マミの銃　マジカルマスケット銃", or "Mami's gun Magical Musket".

ghostrigger said:
stuff

The thing is, the term firelock has a variety of meanings some which mean one thing and some that can mean another. It all likelyhood there is probably only a general idea for what the word means as opposed to a specific. If I take the definition of "firelock" from the book A Short History of War then a firelock refers to what is called a snapping matchlock. Just because some definitions define it one way does not mean we can't use the other definitions for the word. As far as using "words of the masses," while we do tend to work with words that most people understand we do not always take the "common man's" term. For example you're going to be seeing tags like paizuri here, because we're not going to be taking the "common man's" "titty_fuck" to be used as the tag name.

As far as going "unused," I think you're missing out that my intentions would call for having tags like flintlock implicate to firelock. Effectively it'd never go unused, because all subcategories would implicate it.

What we use as our definition is what matters in the end, it sometimes does not matter how others use that word. Given that a tag like firelock has a somewhat ambiguous definition, it is still overall a much broader word than flintlock. When you compare the two, what you have is a word with a definite meaning and a definite shape (flintlock) but the other word has a much less definite meaning and a much less definite shape (firelock). Instead of trying to use the one with a definite form and definite meaning to cover something which it is not, is it not better to use the word that is less definite and whose meaning may cover it in some form of its definition?

As far as what is Mami's gun, in all likelyhood they probably used a "Tanegashima" gun as the base. Which would have been a arquebus with a snapping matchlock mechanism. I think it frankly shares a lot of similarities (image ). The Japanese used matchlock guns for quite a long time. Going by wikipedia, they used snapping matchlocks from 1543 til around 1880. If the Japanese drew from their own history when making her gun, the weapon that would pop up most if it was to be old would be the matchlock.

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zatchii said:
"マミの銃　マジカルマスケット銃", or "Mami's gun Magical Musket".

thank you. it's very helpful.

NWF Renim said:
...the term firelock has a variety of meanings...

i too agree. that's why i presented as many as i can find reputable online resources. even at the cost of some of them don't fit exactly 100%, so maybe at least, we can compare their meanings, their usage, and their synonyms. i'm no expert in this field, but i have to base something somewhere in order to participate in this forum. i think citing those references above are intelligible enough and make my arguments not baseless.

NWF Renim said:
...A Short History of War then a firelock refers to what is called a snapping matchlock.

thanks for the link. i'm browsing and scanning it too. but would you please lead me where firelock is defined here as snapping matchlock? or much better yet, as catchall for any older style firing mechanism as you pointed earlier. isn't that what you're proposing?

this is what i found in the link you provided:

Chapter 5 - The Emergence of Modern War said:
The original musket was a firelock, itself a great improvement on the earlier matchlock. The matchlock required a forked stand to hold its long barrel...The firelock used a trigger attached to a rod which moved a serpentine burning wick to the touchhole...

the passage said that firelock was better than earlier matchlock. it continues to define what a matchlock and firelock were. and they were entirely different from each other. matchlock, based in this source, can't be under the catchall firelock.

NWF Renim said:
Just because some definitions define it one way does not mean we can't use the other definitions for the word.

believe me, i do believe you. but does that mean we can use any single random definition of a word in the internet? that's why i listed dictionaries, encyclopedias, and even the sources used by wikipedia (the footnotes). one source is simply not enough. it has to be cross-checked. cross-examined. to be verified. the definition we are going to use has to agree somewhere, right? i want my sources reputable or at least convincing enough. just like what i said above, we need to see the consensus of the word pundits. i did not invent them. they are the authority we need to consult. and based on many sources, firelock and flintlock are synonymous. not a single one of them make it wrong. and there is still no mention of firelock being a catchall for any older style firing mechanism.

NWF Renim said:
while we do tend to work with words that most people understand we do not always take the "common man's" term.

again, i agree.

NWF Renim said:
For example you're going to be seeing tags like paizuri here, because we're not going to be taking the "common man's" "titty_fuck" to be used as the tag name.

i think the case of paizuri is an entirely different case. even if it's uncommon, the layperson's term as titfuck or tit_fuck is aliased into it. and it even has a wiki definition as early as 2005-10-25. users are guided if they are lost.

regarding flintlock, firelock, musket, caplock, matchlock, and other locks issue is different from this; you are proposing that we use "firelock rifle" as mami's weapon because firelock is a catchall, right? it's not just a simple alias but a superset for all. more so, the term firelock is closely associated to a more common term and synonym flintlock. as you see and well aware of, flintlock and firelock are both used in the english language. it's only the earlier is more popular.

and then you might say that we do not always take the common man's term like titfuck so we use paizuri. i say they are totally different because in that case, we are choosing between a japanese term against an english term. but in flintlock and firelock, we are choosing between 2 english terms. which is the most logical, easiest, and most understandable term to use to reach the widest audience?

and add the fact that our musket has no definition ever since, and yet it was mentioned in flintlock entry. and flintlock doesn't differentiate itself from musket.

and to add an even more confusion, jezail is defined as an Afghan matchlock or flintlock musket. as you can see, jezail can be a matchlock. jezail can also be a flintlock musket. flintlock musket used as a single term. so what makes a flintlock different from musket? danbooru offers no difference.

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NWF Renim said:
I think you're missing out that my intentions would call for having tags like flintlock implicate to firelock. Effectively it'd never go unused, because all subcategories would implicate it.

i apologize, i think i misunderstood you. i'm reading our previous discussion and i probably missed it somewhere that you mentioned an implication. but this implication will only happen if we do agree that mami's weapon should be tagged as "firelock rifle", right? again, i don't see the need to use firelock here when flintlock is more common. and i want to say again, this is not an issue of technical correctness. firelock is synonymous to flintlock. no passage i recall make one a subset of the other. and add the fact flintlock rifle is popular in the fandom.

and my question earlier remained unanswered, is there any documented query that one searches an antiquated long gun, used firelock at all? or are we expecting people to flood search our database with firelock soon?

NWF Renim said:
What we use as our definition is what matters in the end, it sometimes does not matter how others use that word.

i agree too. however, we must still remain to the logical and acceptable boundaries. firelock is not yet established as a catchall for any ancient firing mechanism. in fact, our sources above support that flintlock and firelock are synonyms. to make a distinction between the two and make firelock (a flintlock synonym) a superset of entirely different mechanism (matchlock, wheellock, caplock...) is simply confusing.

and this doesn't help tagging mami's weapon as "firelock rifle". i remember we use rifle because it's supported with evidence right? a rifled barrel. the latest canon material provided by Fencedude supports this. and now, where exactly we find mami's weapon called a firelock?

personal note, i think the same material by Fencedude supports tagging it rifled musket. it is labeled as mami's magical musket as translated to us by zatchii. or am i wrong?

again, tagging as appropriate by Shinjidude holds true too and he stands using flintlock rifle. again, the only problem still is what additional modifier are we going to use for the tag rifle.

NWF Renim said:
Given that a tag like firelock has a somewhat ambiguous definition, it is still overall a much broader word than flintlock.

i honestly want to know there you got this from. if this will make firelock a convincing catchall for any type of ancient firing mechanism, i want to know before accepting it.

NWF Renim said:
Instead of trying to use the one with a definite form and definite meaning to cover something which it is not, is it not better to use the word that is less definite and whose meaning may cover it in some form of its definition?

this will only happen if firelock is indeed ambiguous and not synonymous to flintlock.

NWF Renim said:
As far as what is Mami's gun, in all likelyhood they probably used a "Tanegashima" gun as the base. Which would have been a arquebus with a snapping matchlock mechanism.

i don't see that they are quite similar. mami's weapon looks more like a musket (http://weaponryhistory.wikispaces.com/file/view/Musket.jpg/229635548/Musket.jpg, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Musket.jpg) than "Tanegashima" gun. again, i maybe wrong. i'm no expert in this field, so maybe enlightening me would greatly increase my understanding.

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and i want to share this link provided by zatchii about the notes in the image above provided by Fencedude:

symbv said:
> Closer look at Mami's weapon

マミの銃　マジカルマスケット銃
Mami's gun Magical Musket

プレートＵＰ
通常な省略
Plate Up
Standard omissions

コックと皿の結晶は色トレス
"color trace" for cock and flash pen crystal

対比
comparison

水晶　 色トレス　(フリントと火蓋)
crystal "color trace" (flint and touch-hole cover)

#1 マミの掃討用の銃
サーペンタイルタイプ
Mami's gun for mop-up actions
serpentine type

銃口
muzzle

i hope and i expect this will help us out and settle everyone's issues very soon. and maybe i hope someone knowledgeable will help us describe the intricacies in the sketch. i honestly don't have any idea with this.

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