Tag discussion: stakes_of_purgatory

I use it as a character tag. Most of us use it as a character tag. Why the hell do you want to change that now?
In fact, I've subscripted to the stakes_of_purgatory tag because adding lucifer, mammon, belphegor, etc tags is stupid.

Log said:
Then make a counterargument for fuck's sake

Okay.

If you want characters who are not the Stakes wearing the Stakes' clothes, the obvious thing to do is search/tag stakes_of_purgatory_(cosplay).

FeKa said:
In fact, I've subscripted to the stakes_of_purgatory tag because adding lucifer, mammon, belphegor, etc tags is stupid.

On the contrary, nobody uses the tag and you have missed out on at least 2/3 of the stakes posts.

sgcdonmai said:
If you want characters who are not the Stakes wearing the Stakes' clothes, the obvious thing to do is search/tag stakes_of_purgatory_(cosplay).

That tag is and will remain empty because you do not cosplay as a group of characters, you cosplay as one character. It also does not solve the problem of locating non-stakes outfits by the girls themselves, 95% of the stakes posts are the girls in their stakes outfits.

Since you are all so steadfast that it must stay a group tag, implicate it. It's used sporadically whenever someone feels like using it currently and quite frankly if you are going to insist that it is NOT an outfit tag, there's no reason to not implicate.

Log, fixing the tag populations is fairly simple, and not something that can be used to justify the point you are trying to make.

Nothing has ever suggested that these tags refer to outfits. They may have been what you thought, but you thought wrong.

The only real problem I see with having this tag as a character tag is that it messes up the character tag count for a post.

Log said:
It also does not solve the problem of locating non-stakes outfits by the girls themselves, 95% of the stakes posts are the girls in their stakes outfits.

Well, if one of the Stakes is seen out of uniform (a thing I have never seen), then the alternate_costume tag should be applied.

Log said:
stakes_of_purgatory_(cosplay)
That tag is and will remain empty because you do not cosplay as a group of characters, you cosplay as one character.

Howso? Their outfits are exactly the same. If you can cosplay using angel_mort costume only, you can also cosplay using stakes' outfit too, I really see no problem here.

I'm not sure this usage scenario has been mentioned thus far, but in the previous months I've been adding stakes_of_purgatory to images that include the literal stakes. These include post #532017, post #575083, and a few others.

I'm not particularly attached to the above usage and wouldn't mind seeing it altered. It could easily be replaced with minimal risk of extraneous results by a search for umineko and stake if the posts in question were tagged appropriately.

I did think it was a bit strange when I first encountered the stakes tag. Like others, I assumed it was a group tag with the intent of making searching easier. Similar to the discussion about the 'nasuverse' copyright group tag, though, I'm generally in favor of tags even if they have a narrow search usage.

My vote is for keeping the stakes tag as a general: tag and continuing its use as a character group tag with implications from the seven individual stakes if desired.

Soljashy said: The only real problem I see with having this tag as a character tag is that it messes up the character tag count for a post.

The character counting tag already has a number of situations that throw it off, so I wouldn't say that invalidates making this a character tag. Though even if we untyped it, general usage still makes it refer to the characters.

jxh2154 said:
The character counting tag already has a number of situations that throw it off, so I wouldn't say that invalidates making this a character tag. Though even if we untyped it, general usage still makes it refer to the characters.

I dunno, this reasoning feels a little bit like this to me, i.e. wouldn't we be adding to a problem rather than fixing one?

Soljashy said: I dunno, this reasoning feels a little bit like this to me, i.e. wouldn't we be adding to a problem rather than fixing one?

Well, in your example, the holes represent something unarguably bad. In the situation here, making the stakes tag a character tag has both good and bad effects. That doesn't mean we have to type it (numbers hasn't been typed) but what I was getting at is that the impact on char counting does not, by itself, invalidate char: typing this. It's simply one thing to consider, not a decider.

You're right.

Since it's nice to have these things hashed out in the event of an implication; I think their tags ought to be qualified.
I know at least satan has a collision I'm not quite sure how to resolve (post #584238), and every one of them have at least one namesake with a qualifier. leviathan_(umineko) already has a qualifier, with the leviathan tag reserved for a Rockman character.

I'd suggest a qualifier on all the stakes for consistency, and reserving the unqualified tag for the actual demons where possible. Satan, at the very least, is far too generic.

Agreed, they should probably have qualifiers. Names of well known mythological demons and such shouldn't belong to just one character.

jxh2154 said:
Agreed, they should probably have qualifiers. Names of well known mythological demons and such shouldn't belong to just one character.

Not to derail what is going on here, but can we take this logic and apply it to character classes as well? I'm rather sick of Ragnarok Online using common classes as character tags (ie things like priest, mage, wizard, etc).

I don't see why not. Someone just needs to compile a list.

But what are the odds that an on-topic post of any mythological beast is going to be posted? The stakes at least have numbers working for them whereas demons themselves will have what 5 posts *maybe* over the entire life of danbooru. Move the megaman Leviathan and give the umineko one base, then the stakes will all be consistent with both our tag count rule and qualifiers across the stakes.

Character classes are different and I was unaware that these were even character tags until recently because there weren't correlating tag counts between character/copy.

zatchii said:
I know at least satan has a collision I'm not quite sure how to resolve (post #584238), and every one of them have at least one namesake with a qualifier.

satan_(demon) considering how rare this will be I don't see why it wouldn't get a qualifier for one post when this is how we do it for every other conflicting tag.

Log said:
satan_(demon) considering how rare this will be I don't see why it wouldn't get a qualifier for one post when this is how we do it for every other conflicting tag.

satan_(devil) would make more sense to me.