Aliasing chin-up_bar -> horizontal_bar.
Reason: Appear to be used for the same thing.
Updated by jxh2154
Posted under General
Aliasing chin-up_bar -> horizontal_bar.
Reason: Appear to be used for the same thing.
Updated by jxh2154
Not the same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin-up_bar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_bar (aka High Bar).
In short chin-up bar would be the things you'd find in the playgrounds, the other would be something setup for gymnastics or gym class.
Is the difference really worth noting on Danbooru? I think horizontal bar could refer to either in a more general sense, with the Wikipedia entry on "chin-up bar" describing it as a "smooth horizontal metal bar", for instance.
Most of what I see here on Danbooru (and anime-related stuff) makes me think of outdoor piece of equipment at schools and such, not specifically for either male gymnasts or children's playgrounds. I just tended to think of it as "horizontal bar" as that's what it's referred to in sub and dub translation in Mahou Tsukai Tai. Perhaps that usage is really incorrect, but it seemed sensible to me.
Yeah they're definitely being used for the same thing, and the distinction doesn't seem important enough for tagging purposes. There are very few images thus it'd be easy to clean up or remove, so I just did the alias.
I removed the tag from post #355338 though, because the ballet railing is really not the same thing.
jxh2154 said:
I removed the tag from post #355338 though, because the ballet railing is really not the same thing.
I suppose this would be it?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_(ballet)
May be worth tagging in case it shows up in any other ballet-related images.
jxh2154 said:
Looks like there's maybe half a dozen or so under ballet and ballerina.
I knew I should have looked through those first (maybe I was thinking they were rarer than that beforehand).
I notice some bars are just tagged with plain bar. Should these be cleaned out to make bar exclusive to the place that serves alcoholic beverages?
EB said: I notice some bars are just tagged with plain bar. Should these be cleaned out to make bar exclusive to the place that serves alcoholic beverages?
Probably.
I think ballet_bar is the tag to use for what we were just discussing, so I'm going to go apply that. We could use barre as Wiki has it, but then we'd have bar, barre and horizontal_bar - needlessly confusing, probably.
I wish you had allowed more discussion before you aliased, since I went to bed I was pretty much denied making a response to voice a counterargument. I'm going to still make some arguments on differences.
The horizontal bar is the official name of a piece of gymnastics equipment, as well as the actual event using it. I've looked through pictures on google, and there are some structural differences (for good reason). The horizontal bar is intended for a lot of swinging, and as such there is almost always support wires or bars to insure the bar stays stable. A chin-up bar on the other hand is intended for pull-ups or chin-ups, and as such the weight it needs to support isn't shifting, thus no additional supports for the structure.
The horizontal bar being a structured gymnastics exercise, you're nearly always going to find a gym mat beneath it for accidents and landing. A chin-up bar on the other hand will likely never have a gym mat beneath it, especially so an outdoor bar.
A chin-up bar is commonly shown interconnected with each other for outside models, while high bars are commonly depicted standing solo (as well as more often used indoors). Not that I haven't found images of horizontal bars interconnected, but again they had a gym mat beneath them, and they had support bars to maintain stability.
Finally, while I have found the chin-up bars on google using horizontal bar as the search, it wasn't nearly as common as "chin-up bar" in regards to the outdoor models.
The playground model is pretty much identical to what would be used on a par course (exercise course), which is what they'd use at schools.
Well that's all I had to say, though not that it matters at this point.
NWF_Renim said: I wish you had allowed more discussion before you aliased, since I went to bed I was pretty much denied making a response to voice a counterargument.
Quoting from the very post where I did it: "There are very few images thus it'd be easy to clean up or remove, so I just did the alias." These things are not etched in stone. Images can be retagged. Aliases can be changed. Especially when it's so few images. I just wanted to get them under one tag as both were in use for essentially the same thing.
Well that's all I had to say, though not that it matters at this point.
You've contributed to these forums so much and so often that I have a very hard time believing you really think that's true.
Yes, I can agree with the idea that just about all of them were chin-up_bars or could be interpreted as such. However, there are some in a gray area, like post #511966 where you can't see any surrounding context.
What I don't think we need is to have both tags. The actual the difference is pretty minor for danbooru purposes. Plus depicted characters are almost always doing something other than chinups on it anyway, because the bar is usually intended as an ass-shot making machine.
Of the two, horizontal bar, despite its specific gymnastic meaning, seemed like a better umbrella tag for the two. But if we're okay subsuming the gray areas under chin-up_bar then it can be that instead - doesn't much matter to me.
Well it'll probably be fine as long as it's noted in the wiki for horizontal bar what the various uses of such equipment are. For the obvious piece of gymnastics equipment, should they appear in the future, there might be need for a separate tag that implicates horizontal bar, but could always call it a high_bar.
Not sure how much of a problem it could be, but a chin-up bar could also be any other variety of other bars used for pull ups and chin ups (such as the simple bar that goes in a doorway. Though I don't think we'd tag those, nor can I recall having seen an image of one (not that they couldn't exist).
NWF_Renim said: Well it'll probably be fine as long as it's noted in the wiki for horizontal bar what the various uses of such equipment are. For the obvious piece of gymnastics equipment, should they appear in the future, there might be need for a separate tag that implicates horizontal bar, but could always call it a high_bar.
I think that's the best course of action. If we need to differentiate more in the future then the alias can be removed and we can go with an implication instead.