Need a little help/info

Was wondering if i could get a little help on understanding the rulings of tagging on this site.

To start and probably one of the most argued about tags on other sites...): Futanari
Do i tag "WHAT I SEE" IE: If i can see and vagina and penis its futa BUT if i can not see the vagina its not?

On a side note The wiki page for futanari might want to be clear on what to do, maybe as clear/instructive as the full-package_futanari tags wiki is.

Q's:
1. Is the tagging system entierly derived on "what you can see"?
2. Can i take a artists history and/or reoccuring characters into account when tagging that artists pics?

(it is apparent i have messed up on a couple of tags recently and will fix them when i am up to speed.)

b00m said:

Q's:
1. Is the tagging system entierly derived on "what you can see"?
2. Can i take a artists history and/or reoccuring characters into account when tagging that artists pics?

Many/most tags are tag as you see. Some tags, to include the gender counters, are tag what you know unless proven otherwise. For instance, there are several otoko no ko characters that are tagged as such plus the 1boy/multiple_boys counter despite for all other evidence appear as a girl.

However, I'm not sure where futanari falls in this tag what you see versus tag what you know. It seems like it might be more of the latter than the former, but someone that regularly tags/uploads such posts should chime in on this.

Well. Its not the most argued tag on the site but it has certainly had several definitions over the years. If you can see a penis on an otherwise female body tag futanari unless you can visibly see there is no vagina, then tag newhalf. Futa is the default really. So if the image is of a female body with her legs together and with a dick and testicles tag futanari and testicles.
I hope this makes sense. (And I also hope this is right)

"Tag what you see" is a policy on the site but there are tags like sisters and incest so we obviously dont follow it strictly. Dont think "this character usually have this" when tagging. For an example dont tag hair colours on monochrome images.

ion288 said:
Well. Its not the most argued tag on the site but it has certainly had several definitions over the years.
If you can see a penis on an otherwise female body tag futanari unless you can visibly see there is no vagina, then tag newhalf.

I find such methods of tagging to be fundamentaly faulty in something that is meant to describe the content of an image and hope its is not correct.
There are requirements for a Futanari to BE a futanari. A tag should describe what IS, not a guess of what might be.

ion288 said:
I hope this makes sense. (And I also hope this is right)

BrokenEagle98 said:

However, I'm not sure where futanari falls in this tag what you see versus tag what you know. It seems like it might be more of the latter than the former, but someone that regularly tags/uploads such posts should chime in on this.

Thanks for the input but i would rather wait for something more solid/informative before i take any steps or maybe even start properly tagging.
Im a HUGE fan of futanari and have found myself leaving imageboard after image board disapointed with the sub par mentality in tagging of its users.
Lets hops this place is different.

@b00m

Usage of futanari/newhalf/full-package_futanari tags is something we have historically taken very seriously (I know of at least one user who earned a negative record for consistently misusing these tags). There are a couple of lively discussions in topic #7751 and topic #10767 that make for good reading if you're interested in the history of these tags.

The usage is described in the tags' wikis is good enough for most situations. The question of which tag to use when all the details of a character's anatomy can't be visibly confirmed is still somewhat contentious, however; many users simply fall back on futanari as it is the "default" tag, whereas others will use one of the more specific tags based on a character's canonical attributes or the artists's declared intention. Neither of the discussions linked above were ever really resolved, and there are reasonable arguments supporting both sides, so it's best to use discretion when tagging.

@iridescent_slime

Ah... i see...
So even a place as old as this and with a built in wiki, doesnt have a full confirmed/difinitive result to this... Thats more disapointing to me than it should be.

So for some illogical reason "full-package futanari" and "newhalf" are strict and "futanari" is not.
Even if the futanari image has balls...its tagged as only futanari if you cant see the vulva...If nobody here can see the stupidity in that than im sorry...

If i can type in "futanari -full-package_futanari" and still see balls than the tagging system is flawed.
I came to this site expecting better.

b00m said:

If i can type in "futanari -full-package_futanari" and still see balls than the tagging system is flawed.

Have you tried a futanari no_testicles search? That sounds like what you're describing.

Our tags' definitions don't necessarily exactly match those of the rest of the universe; that's why the wiki pages exist. What you or any other individual might rigidly define as falling under the word "futanari" may or may not match our usage. Getting to know and understand these differences is part of using the site. However, tags and their definitions are not set in stone. Users can bring up a discussion on changing a tag's meaning or create a second concrete tag to fulfill a need for narrowing a search.

Ah, no_testicles... Thought that one was purged? But then, I've been out of the scene. I've always bee of the mind for "futanari", aligned as it is with hentai art, to be a catch-all term for characters with intersex anatomies, whether self-imposed in metadata or not, with further distinctions of newhalf, male_futanari, full-package_futanari (my pet purge...seems folks assume it just means "+testicles"?), futa_with_*, newhalf_with_*, etc. If we want to be more narrow about "futanari", perhaps we'd do best with a greater umbrella tag, likely intersex, however crass that may be when the bulk of the tag would end up on fantastical porn. ("But think of the implied_futanari implications!")

iridescent_slime said:

Have you tried a futanari no_testicles search? That sounds like what you're describing.

futanari(8.9k)
No_testicles(1K)
full-package_futanari(592)
intersex (doesnt exist)
The math! just doesnt add up!!!

We have an overused (imo badly used) tag, Futanari.
A "if futanari was being used properly this wouldent be needed" tag, No_testicles
And an actually properly defined tag being used properly...full-package_futanari
And a empty/nonexistant tag that could easily be used as a fully functional "buffer"/"bank of the unsure" without any loss intersex

Need i say more?

b00m said:

Need i say more?

Say less, ask and do more. If there really is a problem and others agree with you, then fix it.

b00m said:

We have an overused (imo badly used) tag, Futanari.
A "if futanari was being used properly this wouldent be needed" tag, No_testicles
And an actually properly defined tag being used properly...full-package_futanari
And a empty/nonexistant tag that could easily be used as a fully functional "buffer"/"bank of the unsure" without any loss intersex

Need i say more?

What are the "proper definitions," in your opinion?

b00m said:

futanari(8.9k)
No_testicles(1K)
full-package_futanari(592)
intersex (doesnt exist)
The math! just doesnt add up!!!

We have an overused (imo badly used) tag, Futanari.
A "if futanari was being used properly this wouldent be needed" tag, No_testicles
And an actually properly defined tag being used properly...full-package_futanari
And a empty/nonexistant tag that could easily be used as a fully functional "buffer"/"bank of the unsure" without any loss intersex

Need i say more?

The fact that your main goal in registering to this website is to look at and download pictures of dickgirls who don't have balls is both very weird and oddly specific.

NeverGonnaGive said:

If we want to be more narrow about "futanari", perhaps we'd do best with a greater umbrella tag, likely intersex, however crass that may be when the bulk of the tag would end up on fantastical porn.

Given that we're talking about "fantastical porn", wherein it's perfectly normal for humans to be equipped with functional, fully developed parts from multiple sexes, are there no better alternatives for a hypothetical umbrella tag? I feel that if an intersex tag were to exist, it should be reserved for characters with genitalia resembling real-life intersex persons (the depiction of this in anime art is obviously highly unlikely, but still) rather than mix-and-match fantasy bits. This isn't about the tag being "crass"; it's about taking terminology with real-world meaning and applying it to something that doesn't exist for the sake of convenience.

b00m said:

...

Need i say more?

You've already made your point. In so many words, it all boils down to "I don't think futanari should have testicles and therefore the tag should be completely changed."

wuv_u said:

The fact that your main goal in registering to this website is to look at and download pictures of dickgirls who don't have balls is both very weird and oddly specific.

And such forum posts are actually of the worst kind. What were you trying to say?

@b00m
If the math doesn't add up, then I suggest you to add the no_testicles to these posts. That's all I have to offer to your concern about the posts being not correctly tagged.

iridescent_slime said:

You've already made your point. In so many words, it all boils down to "I don't think futanari should have testicles and therefore the tag should be completely changed."

I thing b00m objects to futanari being used for dick girls in general where its "real" definition is penis and vagina. Not sure if there is a good way of searching for penis, vagina and no testicles futanari without getting truckloads of false positives.

OOZ662 said:
Say less, ask and do more. If there really is a problem and others agree with you, then fix it.

At this point, i guess that is now the target.

wuv_u said:

The fact that your main goal in registering to this website is to look at and download pictures of dickgirls who don't have balls is both very weird and oddly specific.

Are you jundging me based on my tastes/fetishes? thats pretty dick-ish IMO. Is indecency just allowed here?

iridescent_slime said:
You've already made your point. In so many words, it all boils down to "I don't think futanari should have testicles and therefore the tag should be completely changed."

Fundamentally yeah, thats the gist of it.
With futanari having a deffinition (both primary of genitels and a femanine body) and Full-package_futanari coving the "has balls" section. Futanari literally is the no_balls tag, just under a different name for some reason.

ion288 said:

I thing b00m objects to futanari being used for dick girls in general where its "real" definition is penis and vagina. Not sure if there is a good way of searching for penis, vagina and no testicles futanari without getting truckloads of false positives.

Pretty much yeah.
I object to missusing a tag that has a deffinition as a blanket term, especially when the missuse of said tag basically created ANOTHER tag to cover for its own absence.

--
I cant help but feel kinda hated here.
Im not sure if its the tone or what, but i dont feel welcome at all.
Im sorry, i guess.. maybe i should just leave.

b00m said:

Fundamentally yeah, thats the gist of it.
With futanari having a deffinition (both primary of genitels and a femanine body) and Full-package_futanari coving the "has balls" section. Futanari literally is the no_balls tag, just under a different name for some reason.

Nope.
No testicles also refers to males.

Chiera said:

Nope.
No testicles also refers to males.

So it does, i breezed over the...three... images when i had a peek yesterday, my bad.
#2485066 would be "male_futanari"... the other two....
#1627969 bad anatomy (jokes) and...
#2650369 unsure that last ones confusing. (might be missing a crossdressing/trap tag from its jap tags on pixiv) 男の娘 and 男の娘化 Im not well versed in said tags.

Well my points still stand, just on 1 foot now...

b00m said:

I cant help but feel kinda hated here.
Im not sure if its the tone or what, but i dont feel welcome at all.

If you check older threads on the forum, including the previously mentioned threads about the futanari tag, you’ll notice that attempts to change long-established tags is almost always met with resistance. Resistance increases with how vocal the attempt to change the tag is. This is especially true if the user hasn’t contributed much else to the site before and/or the user’s goal is to change a tag’s use to fit their own specific preferences.

Compared to many other sites out there on the Internet, I’d say arguments on Danbooru are quite tame on average.

Im sorry, i guess.. maybe i should just leave.

Danbooru doesn’t focus on futanari content. Maybe you should look for a more targeted site if this one doesn’t suit your needs.

If you do want to change the use of the futanari tag, read through the old threads about it and address the concerns and problems mentioned in there. Be aware that just going off by yourself to re-tag images without any kind of consensus can easily get you banned for tag vandalism. (I’m mentioning this here because it’s a common mistake by users who haven’t contributed much before.)