Danbooru

Flag Vandalism

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I don't think there's much to discuss though. Much as I like the sassy Wendy's personification, I can't help but simply find some of the content off-topic here when they reek of such a western style but don't compensate for that in quality.

It's not really something you can call flag vandalism -- they're all valid as far as I can see.

A whole lot of posts got flagged within a small timeframe, including some that were pretty clearly on-topic. It kind of seems like that was spearheaded by one user's dislike for the meme more than anything, which really shouldn't be encouraged if that's the case.

tapnek said:

You could say that and then I would see thousands of Overwatch posts, which doesn't make much sense to me.

Because the Overwatch copyright also happens to be popular in Japan, and is definitely anime-inspired in some respect. Same thing goes for other copyrights like RWBY.

Most of these I find score no points on chinatsu's WWW thing (whatever it's called) -- western artist, western copyright, western style/influence. So they are by the very essence off-topic. We're not 4chan, and it's no good dealing with the folks who think that just because something becomes trendy or memetic that it suddenly belongs here. And besides, this sets a really low standard for our board.

Some good examples of what should be approved despite the copyright/content:

  • post #2704602 -- clearly has an eastern/Japanese influence, good quality
  • post #2707749 -- Barely okay, anime-inspired and decent quality

And then there are posts like these:

Which I'm a little disappointed to see make it into the gallery. Hell, the problem with these is not even that it's western-influenced, it's the fact that the overall quality just plain sucks, and is simply pushing itself on the copyright/character alone (which again, is western to begin with). The copyright should compensate for very little in a post's approval factor, not bolster it. If this were OC, I have no doubts that this kind of content would have gone deleted in the queue.

So yes, those two last posts did get flagged twice in about two hours and I expect there to be a third flag for them. But one thing that the approvers have to keep in mind is that flags are not a declaration of war against particular content (unless explicitly so), so we shouldn't approve posts like that accordingly. Now it seems that way because we just came out of a flagging 'schism', but again -- this isn't vandalism, and you're not 'counteracting' vandalism when you decide to approve a post that a general amount of trustworthy users can agree is pretty garbage.

I won't say I doubt @Flandre​5carlet with respects to their baseline for quality, but I really do think this was a misstep on their part. Log even expressed disdain for one post in comment #1685355.

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To me, this whole things looks like a "bite reflex". Looks like it is really an unnecessary argument between two sides and I highly agree with Saladofstones on topic #14010.
Looks like the flaggers do flag pretty much everything and are saying that it is low quality and then every other post gets approved and then it boils up.
I'd suggest to rest this topic for some days now. I'm pretty sure it's not worth the drama.

@Mikaeri said:

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I won't say I doubt @Flandre​5carlet with respects to their baseline for quality, but I really do think this was a misstep on their part. Log even expressed disdain for one post in comment #1685355.

If that is the case, then feel free to flag them for an additional time even after my approval - or see if someone else thinks they should flag them if you're one of the previous flaggers. I didn't see the comments until later either, I saw the posts in the queue and approved them there.

I don't think I really have to justify why I approved those posts in particular more so than any other post I've approved until now. They were in the queue, I thought they looked good enough and I don't really see the "Western" part in the art itself (although post #2708287 might have been an error on my part, as I think that neck part looks really odd.) For the record, there's also several posts that I didn't approve because I didn't think they looked good, so it's not like I went and reapproved all the flagged Wendy's posts because they were flagged Wendy's posts. I don't particularly care for the meme whether positively or negatively so I don't have any particular bias in its regard one way or another.

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Well, it'll probably be some time before they do receive another flag again. Besides, it's already 'cleared' for review even if temporarily, and it'll be more effective/fair if we give the fad time to die out (along with the drama). But I thank you for elaborating on that.

Anyways, can someone get in contact with whoever flagged post #2480106 and tell them not to flag previous versions of a post? That one in particular was an MD5 mismatch but it was correctly sourced and showed no clear signs of third-party modifications.

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MyrMindservant said:

It looks like some flagger specifically targets all approvals by user #13298. This is not necessarily vandalism, but it is just weird and perhaps even wrong to flag so many distinct images indiscriminately, without considering individual images' quality.

It's by him himself. He got a warning from me and another approver about his approvals, and in a flurry he went and sent all of them back into the queue for a re-check.

Mikaeri said:

It's by him himself. He got a warning from me and another approver about his approvals, and in a flurry he went and sent all of them back into the queue for a re-check.

Wouldn't something like this be solved by not allowing a person who has approved an image to then flag it for deletion?

Admittedly if a person does approve a post by mistake then it would hamper them requesting a deletion, but they can always ask another user to do so.

This seems like a somewhat rare case anyways though.

Grahf said:

Wouldn't something like this be solved by not allowing a person who has approved an image to then flag it for deletion?

Admittedly if a person does approve a post by mistake then it would hamper them requesting a deletion, but they can always ask another user to do so.

This seems like a somewhat rare case anyways though.

It's extremely rare. He's one of the new promotions by albert, but one of the users who gardens the gallery Dmailed me having extreme concerns about the types of posts he was approving. We talked, I told him he must do a QC on anything that he couldn't confidently say belonged, and it ended up being everything.

Looks like he'll continue to be an approver for now, but we do have to watch carefully as these new promotions weren't fully merit based. I believe Hat Vangart might've been partly merit based as he is a translator (albeit this is marginal), but Xz and Akaineko were just casual users.

Apollyon said:

Wouldn't be Danbooru if it wasn't a needlessly complicated situation that didn't have to be.

Aie, tell me about it. I'm not sure the reasoning behind it. There are a handful of other potential approvers that could've gotten the permission based on merit but it doesn't look like albert keeps up with that stuff much.

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