Wiki Requests

I don't think we're here to validate philosophical beliefs about what consists of 'indoors' and 'outdoors'. Both of those tags are used to refer to whether subjects are inside an enclosed building or out in the open air. No more, no less.

As for "good art", I don't think you can necessarily stick the 'realism' label on it -- sounds a bit misleading. Can't say I understand much about what you're saying though. :x

And I suppose Wypatroszony now might know why this user arduously tags text on everything.

In any case, this is going a little off topic.

I understand that inside is an ambiguous tag name. The issue is that a) lots of tags have an unstated context and that's fine (e.g. from behind what? A character viewed from behind), b) it doesn't make sense to tell people not to use inside in the indoors wiki, people won't see it there, and c) declaring people shouldn't use some tag isn't the proper thing to do in any case. The proper thing is to bring it up for discussion in the forum, probably as an inside -> indoors alias request.

usernam said:

Also, all translation_request is part of text; "text" means any amount of text.

That's not how text is meant to be used. We create implications (help:tag implications) when one tag is a subset of another; the fact that translation request doesn't imply text is an indicator that we don't consider translation request to be a subset of text.

usernam said:

All images here are empirical representations, and all images take up space; therefore, the tag "space" (not to be confused with "outer_space") is applicable to all images here.

No, it absolutely isn't. The tag description for space states in no uncertain terms that it is for images set in outer space.

And since "space" is "inside of" / "a part of" totality then the tag "inside" is also universally applicable. The opposite of totality is perhaps the philosophical concept of the monad: that which has no parts.

We're delving into some real Time Cube logic here. Suffice it to say that the inside tag is pointless and should be obliterated, universal applicability be damned.

Also, all translation_request is part of text; "text" means any amount of text.

Please consult the wiki before telling us what tags mean. The description for text makes it clear that the tag is for images where text is a major part of the image, not just "any amount". The question of what constitutes a "major part" is left as a test of one's judgment.

spread_pussy_under_clothes
"Like spread pussy, but under impossible clothes."

Is the part with impossible_clothes really necessary (I don't reall think)? Otherwise, we should let this tag imply impossible clothes....

No, I don't think it's necessary or even especially common.

I was about to request an alias of object_behind_back -> behind_back, but it seems like behind_back is used sometimes for things that aren't being held behind the back. Neither tag has a wiki page at the moment. I kind of think behind_back should only apply to things held behind the back, not e.g. strapped on, but I want to see what everyone else thinks. So?

What makes you think behind back shouldn't contain things that are strapped on? Or indeed items that you can't tell whether it's being held or not?

And why should this stop the alias being made anyway?

If you want a separate tag for things that are specifically being held and things that aren't then something like holding behind back would be far more intuitive - and consistant with the likes of holding above head.

kuuderes_shadow said:

What makes you think behind back shouldn't contain things that are strapped on? Or indeed items that you can't tell whether it's being held or not?

To me, "behind back" is not a natural wording for something that is attached to your back. But I guess "on back" is already taken...

And why should this stop the alias being made anyway?

I'm not abandoning the alias, but I wanted to make sure I understood the current tag first. It looks like I didn't, so it's a good thing I asked.

If you want a separate tag for things that are specifically being held and things that aren't then something like holding behind back would be far more intuitive - and consistant with the likes of holding above head.

I wouldn't mind holding behind back, but I'm not sure people would think of that name when tagging if they weren't aware of it. At the least, I think behind back ought to have a wiki page.

I think the criteria for the usage of facing viewer should be broadened. Why does it have to be used only when the subject's eyes are closed? Or at least, the way it's currently worded implies that much. What if the subject is facing the viewer, but their eyes are looking somewhere else, like in post #2563722? Or they're facing the viewer, but their head is looking in a different direction?

And can't it even be used for when the subject IS looking at the viewer and also facing the viewer?

Looking and facing imply two different things.

I also think there should be an off center tag, for when a post has an obvious subject, but isn't in the center of the image. It'd probably only apply to solo posts, since if there's more than one character, chances are the focus will be on both of them, and they probably both wont' be in the center of the image.

help:users doesn't say at what user level the names of who favorited a post becomes visible on the post's page. Is this a secret feature that isn't supposed to be widely known? If not, it should be documented

It's not secret I don't think, albert just added it and didn't announce it/document it. If privacy mode is on your favorites are hidden on the post page from everyone but yourself. Also ordfav:evazion is blocked but fav:evazion isn't.

Sorry for being confusing. I don't mean privacy mode, I mean the favoriters list itself. I wasn't able to see it at all as a member-level user, but when I was promoted to builder, I could. Which other member levels is it visible to?

I think when you are a Gold user, you can see it? I don't know, though. Any Gold level users in the house or it should be in the programming of Danbooru.

MB295 said:

I also think there should be an off center tag, for when a post has an obvious subject, but isn't in the center of the image. It'd probably only apply to solo posts, since if there's more than one character, chances are the focus will be on both of them, and they probably both wont' be in the center of the image.

Usage of such a tag would lead to huge misinterpretation, I think. There's no way you can put it elaborately in reference to something, and it would require ungodly amounts of gardening to see popular use. "off center" in regards to the subject? The perspective (akin to dutch angle)? Facial or body features? This isn't something like from behind or from side where popular use is clearly relegated to perspective in relevance to the subject alone.

I'm of the opinion that new tags should be well-recognized features: enpera and christmas tree hair ornament, for example, are tags that you can easily recognize once you understand what they aim to describe.

A blouse is a loose-fitting upper garment that hangs loosely ("blouses") over the wearer's body. The main difference between a blouse and a shirt is that a shirt can be tucked into the clothes, whereas a blouse is designed to hang outside the clothes.

blouse

So it seems that these two tags (shirt and blouse) are visually identical and the only difference is that a shirt can be tucked into the clothes. But there is a shirt_tucked_in tag (with a post count of 43 :3). So it makes me wonder: Is there any point in the blouse tag?

fossilnix said:

Sorry for being confusing. I don't mean privacy mode, I mean the favoriters list itself. I wasn't able to see it at all as a member-level user, but when I was promoted to builder, I could. Which other member levels is it visible to?

Provence said:

I think when you are a Gold user, you can see it? I don't know, though. Any Gold level users in the house or it should be in the programming of Danbooru.

It's Gold... I updated help:users.

Provence said:

A blouse is a loose-fitting upper garment that hangs loosely ("blouses") over the wearer's body. The main difference between a blouse and a shirt is that a shirt can be tucked into the clothes, whereas a blouse is designed to hang outside the clothes.

blouse

So it seems that these two tags (shirt and blouse) are visually identical and the only difference is that a shirt can be tucked into the clothes. But there is a shirt_tucked_in tag (with a post count of 43 :3). So it makes me wonder: Is there any point in the blouse tag?

There is. Just most users don't make that distinction, and blouses often aren't drawn that much (which is a shame, since blouses are some of my favorite date clothing for girls to wear).

I'm very much against an alias for blouse to another clothing tag. Very. An implication tag, maybe? But blouse garments can really vary.

Mikaeri said:

There is. Just most users don't make that distinction, and blouses often aren't drawn that much (which is a shame, since blouses are some of my favorite date clothing for girls to wear).

I'm very much against an alias for blouse to another clothing tag. Very. An implication tag, maybe? But blouse garments can really vary.

But what is that distinction?

Provence said:

But what is that distinction?

That a blouse has the distinct feature of looking loose-fitting and thus is very feminine-looking. Shirts have a typically tighter fit to the body, whereas blouses can look somewhat 'baggy' such as post #2565942, post #2578111, or post #2581575. They can be easily confused, given, which is why I'm not totally against an implication (though I'm still somewhat against one) but it's just a matter of common knowledge since most users probably aren't aware such a thing is called a blouse. Heck, you can even say most blouses look like dress shirts if you look through the tag.