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clothes_tug has no wiki to describe its use.

I noticed it because it was recently removed from post #2282563 and then added again right away by the uploader. Skimming through the tag, it seems to be almost exclusively used for a character pulling/holding down their own clothes, not tugging on someone else’s clothes, which would explain why the tag was removed from the post.

So what is the tag for? Do we have a different tag for pulling on someone else’s clothes?

kittey said:

clothes_tug has no wiki to describe its use.

I noticed it because it was recently removed from post #2282563 and then added again right away by the uploader. Skimming through the tag, it seems to be almost exclusively used for a character pulling/holding down their own clothes, not tugging on someone else’s clothes, which would explain why the tag was removed from the post.

So what is the tag for? Do we have a different tag for pulling on someone else’s clothes?

We have all sorts of clothes_pull for that, I think.
Clothes tug seems to make more sense when the sleeve or similar is tugged by someone else like in post #2856818.
There are other tug tags that already exist, too: *_tug has a broad amount of tags.
I don't think we need a clothes tug tag then and if yes then it shouldn't be used that way:

When one character is grabbing another character's sleeve, often when they are trying to the character's attention.

That's from the sleeve tug wiki.

Chiera said:

Speaking of redundant tags...
What is mummy_(cosplay) supposed to be? Not only is mummy not a character, this tag's creation also turned the mummy tag into a chartag when it should be a regular gentag.
If no one disagrees then I'd nuke this tag and revert mummy to a gentag again.

+1

kittey said:

clothes_tug has no wiki to describe its use.

I noticed it because it was recently removed from post #2282563 and then added again right away by the uploader. Skimming through the tag, it seems to be almost exclusively used for a character pulling/holding down their own clothes, not tugging on someone else’s clothes, which would explain why the tag was removed from the post.

So what is the tag for? Do we have a different tag for pulling on someone else’s clothes?

Many if not most of the individual *_tug items are when a character is tugging down their own clothes, usually to cover up a part of themselves.

Chiera said:

Speaking of redundant tags...
What is mummy_(cosplay) supposed to be? Not only is mummy not a character, this tag's creation also turned the mummy tag into a chartag when it should be a regular gentag.
If no one disagrees then I'd nuke this tag and revert mummy to a gentag again.

Well, went ahead with that anyway.
If there should be a use somewhere my changed can always be reverted, I guess.

And mummy is thanks to evazion's advice a gentag again.

Chiera said:

Speaking of redundant tags...
What is mummy_(cosplay) supposed to be? Not only is mummy not a character, this tag's creation also turned the mummy tag into a chartag when it should be a regular gentag.
If no one disagrees then I'd nuke this tag and revert mummy to a gentag again.

I'd have replaced mummy (cosplay) with mummy costume. Not only does this avoid the automatic chartag conversion, it's more consistent with other Halloween costume tags like vampire costume and ghost costume. Dressing up as a generic creature or monster isn't cosplay, and a character in a mummy costume shouldn't be tagged mummy or cosplay.

kittey said:

clothes_tug has no wiki to describe its use.

I noticed it because it was recently removed from post #2282563 and then added again right away by the uploader. Skimming through the tag, it seems to be almost exclusively used for a character pulling/holding down their own clothes, not tugging on someone else’s clothes, which would explain why the tag was removed from the post.

So what is the tag for? Do we have a different tag for pulling on someone else’s clothes?

Clothes tug should be consistent with tags such as shirt tug, dress tug, and skirt tug. In each of these cases, the tag is defined to be used for characters tugging on their own clothing, not that of another character's. This tag shouldn't have been added to that post in the first place, let alone added back after its removal.

kittey said:

I noticed it because it was recently removed from post #2282563 and then added again right away by the uploader

Not quite. I'm the uploader and I removed it. It isn't the proper tag for that post.

There was a thread a while back about this, topic #11897. To summarize, tug refers to characters tugging their own clothes, usually in an attempt to cover up; pull refers to pulling clothes until what is underneath is being exposed. The tag clothes_grab refers to grabbing or holding someone's clothes without the intent to move or shift.

It seems clothes_tug overlaps almost entirely with sweater_tug, which implicates it. I'd say nuke clothes_tug entirely, or have all *_tug tags implicate it as well. The notable exception is sleeve_tug, which could implicate clothes_grab.

Chiera said:

I would be against that implication since I associate with grabbing something forceful while tugging seems more gentle. One is able to distinct that usually pretty well.

Did you read the wiki for clothes grab? It includes "...lightly tugging on another person's clothes to get their attention..." as part of its definition.

In fact, neither grabbing nor any of the other *_grab tags indicate that they are exclusively meant for "forceful" grabbing. Some, like hair grab, even go so far as to clarify that they may be used regardless of force: "...either a gentle hold or a forceful snatch of the hair."

iridescent_slime said:

Did you read the wiki for clothes grab? It includes "...lightly tugging on another person's clothes to get their attention..." as part of its definition.

In fact, neither grabbing nor any of the other *_grab tags indicate that they are exclusively meant for "forceful" grabbing. Some, like hair grab, even go so far as to clarify that they may be used regardless of force: "...either a gentle hold or a forceful snatch of the hair."

Don't know if I like this definition, but then I would like to see the prior discussion about this.
Makes the distinction between tugging and grabbing a bit pointless at first sight.

I've not really thought about this before, but my opinion would be that if you can see sufficiently beyond the elbow to tell that it is outstretched all the way to the wrist then it should count. If you can't then it shouldn't as the arm could be bent at the elbow.

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