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Fate/Grand Order ≠ Fate_(Series)

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This is has been bothering me for a while now. Nearly every new Fate-related image has Fate/Grand Order as a tag, even if nothing in the image has anything to do with Fate/Grand Order. Unless we're going to create an implication for Fate_(series) -> Fate/Grand Order, tagging everything with Fate/Grand_Order is really unnecessary.

It's because most of the pixiv artists tag their stuff as FSN and/or FGO even if it has nothing to do with either. You can't trust the translated tags.

That said, sometimes the FGO tag is warranted even if it's not obvious. For example, post #2496635 has the flourishes associated with CEs in FGO, so following the "tag what you see" rules the FGO tag belongs even if the character itself has nothing related to FGO.

E: There's also the fact many characters have costumes that debuted in specific works. The one I quoted above, for example, debuted in FZ, or the CCC costumes, plus now many characters now have FGO-specific variants to the base costume (Bride's leotard made strapless, Lily with the armor removed, that Fate/Extella preoder costume, etc). So now you need to keep track of which costume belongs to which work.

Like almost everything involving Fate, the tagging is a clusterfuck. :V

EE: Actually now that I've gone through some of the mistagged pictures I'm wondering about Merlin. He was first shown in a spread released for... Garden of Avalon, IIRC, which has no tag. Should he stick with FGO or should he get a GoA tag?

EEE: And Attila for that matter. Officially, she's associated to Extella with GO described as a preview.

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The thing is that such a policy makes fate_(series) synonymous with fate/grand_order because literally everybody in Fate (and many that aren't, thanks to crossover events) is or will be in FGO, whether as a Servant or as a CE.

Rin in normal clothes, to use your example, appears in the Gandr CE, so technically every Rin pic oughta be tagged as FGO.

I suppose. On another note, for those who are familiar with FGO, some summer servants came out that were basically original servants summoned in another class. Since it's just a switch to bikini, nobody saw the reason to give them new tags. But then it doesn't really differentiate from their original class or even differentiate from artist drawing them in a random bikini. Should there be a tag like lancer getting cu chulainn (fate/grand_order) as his caster counterpart or should we just ignore it?

I'd go for yes, it's been done with other costumes like Lily and Bride after all. (Although in this case the character tag would actually cover up to three different outfits)

The affected characters would be the following:
scathach_(fate/grand_order)
mary_read_(fate/grand_order)
anne_bonny_(fate/grand_order)
kiyohime_(fate/grand_order)
caster_(fate/extra)
saint_martha
marie_antoinette_(fate/grand_order)
saber

Putting aside the question of the current tags' consistency (see post forum #119888), I suppose the resulting tags would be:
scathach_(swimsuit_assassin)
mary_read_(swimsuit_archer)
anne_bonny_(swimsuit_archer)
kiyohime_(swimsuit_lancer)
tamamo_no_mae_(swimsuit_lancer)
saint_martha_(swimsuit_ruler)
marie_antoinette_(swimsuit_caster)
artoria_pendragon_(swimsuit_archer)

Maybe add a _(fate) suffix, although it starts getting unwieldy and it's not really necessary.

(On that note shouldn't Tamamo's CCC outfit get a tag too)

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Well I'm leaning towards the already existing "consistency" regarding artoria_pendragon_alter_(fate/grand_order) and artoria_pendragon_lancer_(fate/grand_order). So I'm thinking of something more like:
scathach_assassin_(fate/grand_order)
mary_read_archer_(fate/grand_order)
anne_bonny_archer_(fate/grand_order)
kiyohime_lancer_(fate/grand_order)
tamamo_no_mae_(fate/grand_order) (since her name hasn't been used yet, granted it will be a little confusing)
marie_antoinette_caster_(fate/grand_order)
artoria_pendragon_archer_(fate/grand_order)

And yes. If saber bride got a tag just for a new outfit, I think she deserves one too.

That kind of ad-hoc naming scheme is only going to cause more problems in the future. Especially the tag for swimsuit tamamo tag. Just because it's available doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Could you please take a look at the post I linked above? I'd really like to just rename everybody to a standard that makes sense with the current situation and is future proofed for future servants. Right now tagging servants has become very messy and will only become more so as further cross-pollination happens. Apocrypha and CCC servants get hit particularly hard since their works are obscure relative to GO, which uses their actual names.

Forgot to say last time, your picture links to a 9 year old picture of Yoko Littner from Tengen Toppa. Either you linked wrong or I'm missing something important there about the topic.
I'm more of a copyright in parentheses type of guy, so you're naming scheme doesn't really sit well with me. This is in no way saying that it's bad; it's just my personal taste. I had a lot I wanted to say, but as I continue thinking, your naming scheme does make more and more sense. Seeing how it's the two of us that really cares, I say you can just go for it and start changing them. _(fate) does suffice.

zaregoto said:

If the person appears in Grand Order, I tag the picture with it, isn't that how it goes for characters?

Are we going to tag all of the FSN characters with Carnival Phantasm then? Or with Fate/Extella since a lot of them are showing up in that game?

KyteM said:

Apocrypha and CCC servants get hit particularly hard since their works are obscure relative to GO, which uses their actual names.

Not nearly as much as Okita and Nobunaga. Most people seem to legitimately think they're FGO originals or mascot characters.

AvengerEmiya said:

Are we going to tag all of the FSN characters with Carnival Phantasm then? Or with Fate/Extella since a lot of them are showing up in that game?

I didn't have that show in mind, but it certainly is a fine example. I, myself will be refraining from the previous tagging habit, though I will likely still tag some of the pictures grand order if the artist says grand order but there is no hint of grand order.

Provence said:

If they appear it multiple games, but are basically the same character, why not go with the most popular game then?

There are some characters with game specific outfit so we can't really do that. Also, popularity seems biased and some are not games. I think at least tagging where they originated from seems the most legit, and then depending on the picture we add the appropriate copyrights.

create implication li_shuwen_(fate/grand_order) -> assassin_(fate/extra)

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From usage it's clear the antecedent tag is being used to show Shuwen's younger form, first shown in Grand Order. He's, of course, just a variant on Fate Extra's Assassin. (Although tbh you can't quite tell the difference but Assassin Shuwen will show up eventually so the distinction is still warranted)

On that note: When you tag, say, Jeanne Alter or Artoria Lancer, do you tag both the derived character's copyright (FGO) and the original character's copyright (Apo, FSN)?

KyteM said:

create implication li_shuwen_(fate/grand_order) -> assassin_(fate/extra)

Link to request

From usage it's clear the antecedent tag is being used to show Shuwen's younger form, first shown in Grand Order. He's, of course, just a variant on Fate Extra's Assassin. (Although tbh you can't quite tell the difference but Assassin Shuwen will show up eventually so the distinction is still warranted)

On that note: When you tag, say, Jeanne Alter or Artoria Lancer, do you tag both the derived character's copyright (FGO) and the original character's copyright (Apo, FSN)?

For that I only tag the derived character's copyright. They basically different people is my logic.

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