Another idea in regards to the last paragraph: a way to tag certain threads as FAQ threads and a quick way to access them without having them appear as stickies. For example, in the forum menu there could be a link that says 'FAQ threads' and clicking on it would only show those threads. A prefix would also be nice.
This thread, phane's 'how (not) to use danbooru' and a few others could fit under that banner.
Something that I've noticed but haven't seen a formal tag for are various objects that go between the breasts:
ex (chain): http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/150388/
ex (hair): http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/150728/
ex (sword): http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/13221/
Only the last one appears to have any relevance to paizuri: http://danbooru.donmai.us/wiki/show?title=paizuri
But since there is no penis involved, I still would find it difficult to say it is.
Outstanding job, kristallimeri!
I have one correction to make, though:
kristallimeri said:
seifuku - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=seifuku
"The uniform with a sailor-style collar worn by Japanese schoolgirls in middle school and high school. The standard uniform consists of a white blouse, a red ribbon, and a pleated skirt, but there are as many variations as there are stars in the sky."
This is incorrect. Seifuku simply means "uniform". The word you want is "serafuku". I've corrected the wiki pages; you should edit your post to reflect the change.
There should be no aliasing of seifuku, serafuku or school_uniform. However, "seifuku" should be aliased to "uniform", and the following implications could be of some use:
serafuku => school_uniform
gakuran => school_uniform
school_uniform => uniform
If you want a japanese alias for "school_uniform", it would be "gakkou_seifuku", but nobody knows it, so it's of little use.
What
http://miezaru.donmai.us/wiki/show?title=what - "Posts that you do not understand at all. Note that you shouldn’t tag random guro/bondage posts with this. What is for things that transcend fetishes and leave EVERYONE stupefied."
It's been toted regulary in the comments already, but it is probably one of the most oft-abused tags on danbooru.
In repeat, that means it is not a generic tag for lol-funnies, or a tag for sick perversions, even though it may apply to images fitting either or both criteria.
"What" is a tag for images where the concept of the image leaves you, and most other people, stupefied.
It's a somewhat subjective tag I guess (and thus seemingly goes agianst the general tagging policy here?), which probably expains why it gets 'polluted' every so often.
sriblanka02: maybe a between_breasts tag?
LaC said:
seifuku and serafuku
Hmm, this is quite an issue, because:
seifuku - 10727 posts, almost all of which are school uniforms, but only some are serafuku's
school_uniform - 212 posts
serafuku - 2 posts :(
What I would do:
CHANGE seifuku => school_uniform - since practically all of them are school uniforms, not other sorts of uniforms. Other sorts of uniforms can be found with the tag 'uniform' (which also tends to include lots of school uniforms).
Following that:
alias seifuku => uniform
imply serafuku => school_uniform
I'd question this: imply school_uniform => uniform. Technically it is correct, but I associate the word uniform by itself with work uniforms and soldier uniforms and see school uniforms as a separate entity. Having them fill the results would be mildly annoying.
Of course, I could just search 'uniform -school_uniform', but this type of searching is only limited to privileged users (as far as I know), and I don't think the switch from MySQL to Postgres would make this type of searches that much easier on the server and convince albert to change his policy (I may be wrong on this, obviously, as I know very little about both).
Another issue is of course the serafuku... right now there are only 2 results for it and identifying all the serafukus from over 10 000 seifukus is task only a few mortals could undertake. Plus we'd have to be absolutely certain as to what the specific limitations to serafuku are and from which point on it becomes just a school uniform.
kristallimeri said:
http://miezaru.donmai.us/wiki/show?title=sex - links to various forms of intercourse and how to tag them (in need of updates).
As I read the wiki page (which reflects my understanding of how the tag is used), "anal, fellatio, cunnilingus, masturbation, fingering, and penetration" don't count as having the sex tag and shouldn't have it unless there is also "vaginal" going on. Is this the general consensus or should I remove my tag blacklist?
Oh, up till now I thought seifuku meant 'school uniform'. Sorry, I'll add 'serafuku' from now on.
Symmetrical_docking is also something completely new to me, but very useful none the less, so thanks for the list!
Sinnerman said:
Symmetrical_docking is also something completely new to me, but very useful none the less, so thanks for the list!
After some searching, it seems we don't even HAVE the comic that originated the original "Symmetrical Docking" terminology. So, here it is.
And if you aren't a mecha fan, this might help you get the gag:
..I always thought seifuku was just short for seiraafuku (doh!) hence I've always used seifuku on sailor-style school uniforms, school_uniform on non-sailor-style school uniforms and uniform on general uniforms.
There's a LOT of fixing needed to bring this lot in line... we certaintly don't want to alias seifuku to uniform before sorting out what is in it first since most of those images are likely to be serafuku.
Fencedude said:
After some searching, it seems we don't even HAVE the comic that originated the original "Symmetrical Docking" terminology. So, here it is.And if you aren't a mecha fan, this might help you get the gag:
I love etymology, haha.
And yay, now I'm no longer one of those people who uses the tag without knowing where it comes from. Thanks, dude!
sriblanka02 said:
ex (chain): http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/150388/
ex (hair): http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/150728/
ex (sword): http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/13221/
Ok, now this is weird, when I go to those links, it says I need to be a priviledged member to see them. Which is exceptionally odd, since I'm still logged in.
post #150388
post #150728
post #13221
Lets see if this syntax fixes it.
Fencedude said:
Ok, now this is weird, when I go to those links, it says I need to be a priviledged member to see them. Which is exceptionally odd, since I'm still logged in.
It's because they're links to danbooru and this is (probably) miezaru.
Heh, didn't realise the old domain name was back. Still logged in there with my old cookies however.
Any tips on how the tag "sketch" should be used?
Ririka said:
Any tips on how the tag "sketch" should be used?
I'd say it should be used for linart that was clearly later used to create a full, colored image.
...and not like how its being used now, which seems to be randomly.
I've used it on every image that contains traces of line art, even if it's fairly minor. Going back to the very first images containing this tag seems to confirm that this is indeed how it's been used all along.
葉月 is the sketch fetishist here so he'll probably know better.
Ririka said:
Any tips on how the tag "sketch" should be used?
I would think that it would be used to distinguish hairier monochrome drawings from clean lineart & comic/manga panels. It's kind of hard to tell if something is going to be later used for a certain purpose, especially since lots of sketches are released as "rakugaki" and never developed beyond that.
Boco said:
As I read the wiki page (which reflects my understanding of how the tag is used), "anal, fellatio, cunnilingus, masturbation, fingering, and penetration" don't count as having the sex tag and shouldn't have it unless there is also "vaginal" going on. Is this the general consensus or should I remove my tag blacklist?
I doubt many of us would subscribe to the opinion of the girl who claims to have never had sex while wiping off the cum from her last blowjob. To say nothing of anal.
kristallimeri said:
葉月 is the sketch fetishist here so he'll probably be thinking with his penis whenever he speaks on this subject.
Fixed. ;)
Seriously, though; sketch definitely should not be applied to all line art. We need a separate "line_art" tag for that, with a "lineart" alias.
"sketch" should be used for rough drawings; including, but not limited to, those used as a basis or study for a subsequent finished version.
Most sketches will probably be in pencil, but other media are possible too (pen, charcoal...). The defining factor is the roughness and/or the unfinished feeling.
A separate "pencil" tag could be added, covering all pencil drawings, even finished ones.
Clean, crisp lineart, especially if in ink, is not a sketch (unless it's obviously unfinished, eg it has construction lines or missing anatomy). Partial iterations of a picture are not necessarily sketches; for example, a crisply inked picture which is later colored is not a sketch; a partially colored but otherwise complete picture is not a sketch. Those could be tagged as "unfinished".
LaC said: "sketch" should be used for rough drawings; including, but not limited to, those used as a basis or study for a subsequent finished version.
That's precisely how I've always used it. I don't apply 'sketch' to a cleaned up image just because it's monochrome line art.
BTW, someone should go through "sketch -monochrome" with "monochrome" as the tag script, and apply it to any monochrome images in the results. I've done the first few pages to test the idea, so start around page 10. This is a good way of tagging a lot of monochrome images that are missing that tag.
kristallimeri said:
asymmetrical_docking - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=asymmetrical_docking
"Similar to symmetrical docking, only one pair of breasts is larger than the other."
Asymmetrical docking is based on a joke comment of Phane's, and should not be a real tag. All pics that have interlocking breasts should use Symmetrical docking. This type of thing is way too specialized to have multiple tags to delineate different types.
Also, there's only one post in the tag, which I am now removing.
LaC said:
BTW, someone should go through "sketch -monochrome" with "monochrome" as the tag script...
"comic -monochrome" is another good one to try.
P.S. I went through "sketch -monochrome" and it looks pretty good now.
LaC said:
serafuku => school_uniform
gakuran => school_uniform
school_uniform => uniform
What I've done:
Aliased /s to school_uniform
Aliased seifuku to school_uniform
Implicated serafuku to school_uniform
Implicated gakuran to school_uniform
I realize seifuku doesn't translate into school_uniform strictly speaking, but that's what most users here have come to expect. Maybe in a few months we can revisit the idea of properly aliasing it to uniform.
And while school_uniform -> uniform is technically correct, it's one of those cases where I feel it wouldn't add much. When I think of uniform, I think mostly of police officers, military, stewardesses, etc. I think having the tag be completely swamped with school uniforms would be of little use.
Ok "comic -monochrome" is finished. Blah, that's way too many posts to go through, but it should be correct for a while. At least until a bunch of untagged monochrome comics get posted again... All in all the 'monochrome' tag is ~2000 posts heavier now.
kristallimeri said:
葉月 is the sketch fetishist here so he'll probably know better.
LaC already said it all.
I would add that both sketch and oekaki are way too often omitted, so I'd add them to the "don't forget" list. Also, braid and twin_braids. kristallimeri, could you edit them into your first post, so that everything appears on the front page?
I'm in the process of updating the first post with tags suggested here and also reorganizing it a little. Might take an hour or so.
葉月 said:
Also, braid and twin_braids.
I'll add twin_braids. Is 'braid' the catch-all tag for all forms of braids (meaning, twin_braids and braids implies/should imply braid) or should it only to be used when the image features a single braid? The same question could be asked about the plural form 'braids'.
kristallimeri said:
Is 'braid' the catch-all tag for all forms of braids (meaning, twin_braids and braids implies/should imply braid) or should it only to be used when the image features a single braid? The same question could be asked about the plural form 'braids'.
It's a catch-all, I believe the implication is already in place. About the plural, I'm not sure what came of the discussion whether plurals or singulars are better, I think it was singulars in the end. So braids should be aliased to braid.
葉月 said:
It's a catch-all...
I realize this is true in practice, but wouldn't it be better for 'braids' to be the catch all, leaving 'braid' to be the singular variety. After all you can tag/search for 'pony_tail' and 'twintails' separately; why not 'braid' and 'twin_braids'?
kristallimeri
over 4 years agoTags you should (not) use
The issue of improper tagging comes up often, both in the forums and comments, and "bad tagging" can often be seen as one of the reasons why an image did not receive moderator approval.
A good way to find out proper tags is to head over to the tag cloud:
http://miezaru.donmai.us/tag/cloud
This covers only the most popular tags, however, and tends to ignore certain obscure, yet highly relevant tags. In addition to that there are popular tags that, for whatever reason, are often "forgotten" and not added. I took some mental notes of the ones that I most often find missing (or ones that I tend to forget myself) and compiled the list below, with concise explanations copied from their respective wiki pages or written by myself for ease of use.
(Don't forget that you can access the wiki page of a tag by clicking on the question mark next to it in the Tags bar on the left.)
Edit: I suggest going through the whole thread, as a lot of tags have received quite thorough explanations here.
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Tags you should use, but perhaps don't know about:
-BREASTS-
flat_chest - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=flat_chest
"girls with an (American) A-cup bra size or smaller."
between_breasts - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=between_breasts
"When an object fits or is pressed between the breasts." This is a new tag, so it may take some time for it to become popular.
paizuri - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=paizuri
The Japanese word for titty fucking, i.e. a penis between breasts.
cleavage - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=cleavage
"The depression created via partial exposure between a woman’s breasts." Use this tag only if a piece of clothing is designed to expose the breasts, not when exposure is accidental.
underboob - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=underboob
"The shirt is either so skimpy or hiked up that the bottom of the breasts are visible." This includes accidental exposure.
breast_grab - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=breast_grab
"The act of grabbing a breast with a hand." I'm not sure if this includes accidental hands-on-breasts situations or not.
breast_press - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=breast_press
"The act of pressing one’s breasts against something, whether it be a window, another person, etc."
breast_squeeze - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=breast_squeeze
"For Danbooru purposes, this refers to the act of one’s breasts being squeezed together."
symmetrical_docking - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=symmetrical_docking
"A term to describe the embrace of two female bodies so that the breasts interlock, hence “symmetrical docking”."
-CLOTHING-
lingerie - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=lingerie
"Lingerie refers to undergarment worn by women. Most undergarment tags are set to imply lingerie (with the notable exception of panties, a tag so ubiquitous as to make the implication of little use)."
garter_belt - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=garter_belt
"An undergarment worn around the waist like a belt, with two straps on each side hanging down. These straps are clipped to stockings or thighhigh socks to keep them from falling down."
garters - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=garters
"Garters are elastic bands worn around the thigh to keep stockings up."
camisole - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=camisole
"A short, sleeveless top with thin straps. These days camisoles are worn as regular garments, but they can also be worn as an undergarment."
chemise - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=chemise
"A chemise is essentially a camisole that ends past the waist. Usually worn as an undergarment."
nightgown - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=nightgown
"A nightgown is a loose dress-like garment worn by women to bed."
-UNIFORM-
school_uniform - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=school_uniform
All sorts of school uniforms, including the standard serafuku and all made-up and even somewhat fantastical (read: impractical) ones.
serafuku - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=serafuku
"The uniform with a sailor-style collar worn by Japanese schoolgirls in middle school and high school. The standard uniform consists of a white blouse, a red ribbon, and a pleated skirt, but there are as many variations as there are stars in the sky."
sukumizu or school_swimsuit - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=school_swimsuit
"A one piece swimsuit (usually white, gray, navy blue or black) that usually the wearer’s name printed or written in a white space on the chest area."
-HAIR-
braid - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=braid
Several strands of hair tied together in an overlapping pattern.
twin_braids - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=twin_braids
Equally sized braids from both sides of the head.
ponytail - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=ponytail
"A ponytail is a hairstyle in which most or all of the hair on the head is pulled away from the face, gathered and secured at the back of the head with a hair tie, clip or similar device, and allowed to hang freely from that point."
twintails - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=twintails
"Generalized form of pig tails. A hair style where the hair is tied into two sections." Log suggested to use this instead of 'pigtails'.
-DRAWING-
oekaki - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=oekaki
Drawings created with an applet integrated into a messageboard. They tend to be rush jobs and have a certain element of digital crudeness to them.
sketch - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=sketch
"sketch" should be used for rough drawings; including, but not limited to, those used as a basis or study for a subsequent finished version." See forum #2088 for a more thorough explanation.
distortion - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=distortion
"... images that have been either heavily manipulated in a destructive/deconstructive manner, or were drawn from the ground up to look distorted, to achieve some sort of aesthetic effect." This is an obscure tag, but it may find some use in the future.
monochrome - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=monochrome
"Art works drawn predominately in one or two colors."
-OTHER-
zettai_ryouiki - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=zettai_ryouiki
A short skirt + some skin + thighhighs almost always equals zettai_ryouiki. Check the wiki page for a more thorough explanation.
what - http://miezaru.donmai.us/post?tags=what
"Posts that you do not understand at all. Note that you shouldn’t tag random guro/bondage posts with this. what is for things that transcend fetishes and leave everyone stupefied." See forum #2051 for more. Don't flood this tag, danbooru is not 4chan.
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Tags you should NOT use (mostly redundant if you've read the forums and comments, but still worth pointing out):
cute, sweet, sexy, erotic, hot, perfect, disgusting, violent, mature, etc. - these are all subjective and don't apply for everyone. Don't use them, ever.
ecchi, hentai - the ratings cover what these tags usually represent. I've noticed that 'hentai' is often used for images that feature sexual intercourse. Use 'sex' instead and don't forget to add the specific type of intercourse (e.g. cunnilingus).
moe - as wanchan put it, "This tag is ambiguous and will be a nightmare to untangle." My suggestion would be to only use it when the image uses the idea of moe as a gimmick of sorts (a joke on the subculture, definitions, etc.), not when the image itself could be considered moe. See post #86945 for an example.
Why is moe so confusing? Well... http://heiseidemocracy.com/2005/12/07/the-moe-image/
girls, women - Not useful, despite the plural.
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A few other useful wiki pages:
http://miezaru.donmai.us/wiki/show?title=breasts - outlines and links to various (sub)tags regarding breasts.
http://miezaru.donmai.us/wiki/show?title=sex - links to various forms of intercourse and how to tag them (in need of updates).
http://miezaru.donmai.us/wiki/show?title=lingerie - types of lingerie.
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How to find out whether a tag exists or not? Use the searchbox. The number of times a tag has been used and a list of related tags will be displayed under the Tags bar, even if you don't see the posts themselves.
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To improve this thread further, please point out tags that
1) you most often find missing in recently uploaded posts (there are tons I'm forgetting or haven't noticed);
2) should not be used, but tend to find their way into uploads;
3) deserve more attention due to their usefulness, despite relative obscurity.
Also feel free to ask minor questions regarding specific tags here, especially if you felt that they might not have warranted a separate thread (e.g. help in identifying a certain piece of clothing). If it's a bigger issue, then make a separate thread.
The basic purpose of this thread is to help newer users find out about tags like zettai_ryouiki and symmetrical_docking, raise awareness in regards to female clothing, and to make sure that they don't mistake breast_squeeze for breast_press. Correct tagging reduces the workload for everyone and makes the database more complete.
If this thread starts serving some purpose, then we can compile a list of the most commonly forgotten tags and perhaps even create a specific wiki page for it. It might also serve as a proving ground for a wiki-based FAQ for danbooru, seeing as the current help pages are all about danbooru usage in general and rarely (if ever?) about the particularities of this specific danbooru.
If not, then... well, at least I tried. orz